The Rise of Joseph Stahl - A German Stalin Collab TL

What ideology should Stahl follow?

  • Communism

    Votes: 19 35.2%

  • Nationalist Socialism/Stahlism

    Votes: 35 64.8%
  • Total voters
    54
  • Poll closed .

LucaTheDevilCat

Banned
This timeline is inspired by the few threads on either Hitler or Stalin's parents immigrating to the US. In this timeline, I will try to make it as realistic as possible, however, being human I will probably make mistakes so any advice and ideas is greatly appreciated as long as it is within reason, so without further adieu, enjoy!

Chapter 1 - A dictator is born

In a day that would go down in history, Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili was born in a small flat in Hamburg in the German empire on December 18 1878. His parents had emigrated from the Russian Empire just months earlier, seeking a better opportunity outside the peasant lifestyle. Their original destination was the United States where they had heard of the 'American dream', free from working hard, laborious hours to survive, however, Iosif's mother, Ekaterina quickly fell ill from postnatal depression and his father, Vissarion reluctantly agreed to stay until she got better.

Iosif's parents grew accustomed to the industrious German lifestyle, Vissarion got a job at a milliners. Realising there was no point continuing on when they had a fairly comfortable life, the family decided to settle in Germany.

Throughout his childhood, Iosif would experience one of fear and abuse from his father, although they never went hungry, Vissarion would take out his anger on him, beating him mercilessly. Many historians agree this affected Joseph seriously negatively at a young age, shaping his life into one of evil and fear, just like his father.

As Joseph grew older, he entered the criminal underworld of robbery and kidnappings, in short becoming a ruthless gangster. He adopted the name Stahl which is German for steel. Joseph's personality would live up to his new surname as he would be a dreaded local celebrity on the streets of Hamburg.

In 1914, a bullet echoing through the streets of Sarajevo would change the course of history forever. Stahl would soon find himself in a conflict that would embroil Europe and the world.
 

Max Sinister

Banned
SCNR:

"Just let me tell you one thing: My name is Stahl, and I'm as hard as steel!"
Complete silence. Then, suddenly one of the Jewish prisoners starts to laugh.
"Who's laughing there?! What is your name, scum?"
"Moses Diamant!"
 

LucaTheDevilCat

Banned
Chapter 2 - Rising through the ranks

As the 1910s came around, Stahl's criminal career began to show signs of failing, much of his called 'Stahl Gang' had been caught and arrested. As WW1 broke out, Stahl tried to remain oblivious to the chaos enveloping Europe, however on September 3rd 1914, Stahl was found and arrested, faced with the choice of a life sentence or draft into military service, Stahl reluctantly joined the Army. He would soon forget his reluctance as he met a bold and charismatic young Austrian by the name of Adolf Hitler, he like Joseph shared relatively similar views, especially on Jews and Germany's place in the world. They like most German soldiers were confident in victory. The two became comrades and developed a brotherly respect for each other, some historians go far as to joke or even seriously say that they were in a secret homosexual relationship. Regardless, the duo sharing near death experiences and finding common ground in their hardships brought them together until their deaths.

By 1918, the war became more desperate as the dread and weariness seethed into the populace, any confidence of victory in the public and the officers were long gone as protests broke out. Joseph and Adolf were both temporarily blinded by a gas attack, both were outraged to find the anti war movement back home. As they recovered, Germany's surrender was announced. Grief stricken and angry, both men swore to each other to make those responsible pay and to make Germany great again.

As time went on, the fatherland was stripped of all his worth, his money, pride, military and lots of land, this only infuriated the so called 'hateful duo'. They remained in the army as intelligence gatherers, what seemed like a simple infiltration of a meagre party in Bavaria would decide the fate of history...
 
Aloha

Aloha

I think it would be interesting to see how Stahl would see Russia and what Lebensraum would potentially look like, seeing how his parents are from the Russian Empire. Maybe it was both his strained relationship with his father and the loss of Germany that forced him to develop a hatred for Russia? Or would this be a different form of Nazism?
 
Mendicant Bias

Mendicant Bias

It could be interesting to see Stahl wanting to help anti-Soviet Russians/Slavs and offer them a place in the Lebensraum due to his own heritage, whereas Hitler wants nothing to do with the Slavs and would prefer to outright kill them, regardless of their anti-Communist values. Who would take the place of Stalin in the Soviet Union?
 

Bookmark1995

Banned
Aloha said:
I think it would be interesting to see how Stahl would see Russia and what Lebensraum would potentially look like, seeing how his parents are from the Russian Empire. Maybe it was both his strained relationship with his father and the loss of Germany that forced him to develop a hatred for Russia? Or would this be a different form of Nazism?
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That's a good question.

But one thing I can guess is that Joe Stahl, being Georgian born, might be extremely insecure about his German patriotism.

So if a war breaks out with Russia, I can imagine him being extremely brutal, wanting to prove his patriotism.
 

LucaTheDevilCat

Banned
RussiaWasMyIdea said:
It could be interesting to see Stahl wanting to help anti-Soviet Russians/Slavs and offer them a place in the Lebensraum due to his own heritage, whereas Hitler wants nothing to do with the Slavs and would prefer to outright kill them, regardless of their anti-Communist values. Who would take the place of Stalin in the Soviet Union?
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Very obviously Leon Trostky, no question there
 

Bookmark1995

Banned
Lord_Vespasian said:
Still is the key word there. In Germany, the people got rid of Kaiser as he was unpopular, they did not in Italy. There was no major support for the Kaiser'' return in Germany
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But didn't Hindenburg and others support the return of the monarchy? Why didn't their desire for a Hohenzollern restoration go beyond merely mouthed?
 
Lord_Vespasian

Lord_Vespasian

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Bookmark1995 said:
But didn't Hindenburg and others support the return of the monarchy? Why didn't their desire for a Hohenzollern restoration go beyond merely mouthed?
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Exactly because there was virtually no support from the right, left, and center. Someone as powerful and respected as Hindenburg didn't even attempt to restore the monarchy during the Weimar days I don't anyone can. The only way you can have a Kaiser restoration is to have Germany loose WWI by having the Allies soundly push into Germany and force them to depose the Kaiser Bill. When Versailles is finally over thrown in it's entirety the revanchist government will probably invite either Willy or August to spite them, otherwise it ain't happening
 
Aloha

Aloha

Bookmark1995 said:
That's a good question.

But one thing I can guess is that Joe Stahl, being Georgian born, might be extremely insecure about his German patriotism.

So if a war breaks out with Russia, I can imagine him being extremely brutal, wanting to prove his patriotism.
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Should be worth noting that he's from Hamburg in this TL.
But that's what I was thinking too: him being extremely brutal to divert attention and suspicion from his true ethnic background. I imagine that there would be a lot of lying in his autobiography and other writings too.
 
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