So I'm going to preference this by saying I don't know all that much about communism, Marxism or socialism, so anything I get wrong is an honest mistake. Anyway, the challenge is simple: create a far-right socioeconomic policy that's the equivalent of communism. By that I mean an exportable ideology that could form an international movement, something not limited to the nationalistic politics that tend to dominate far-right stuff. Perhaps some kind of socioeconomic school of though develops form the reactionary Concert of Europe period?
WI/AHC: A far-right equivalent of communism?
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Ficboy
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There's Third Position or National Bolshevism. The former is neither capitalist nor communist and tends to be fascist while the latter mixes communism and right-wing nationalism. If a country is lucky enough to embrace one of these ideologies like say Russia then it fulfills you're criteria.
Define left-wing and right-wing. Those terms are relative, not absolute, and differ between different times and places.
VVD0D95
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Except I don’t think monarchism fits into what would normally be called far right today. If it did, then I guess I’d be calling myself alt right which is hilarious as the alt right wants me dead given I’m a british Indian
Depends what sort of monarchism. "Convert the whole world to traditionalist Catholicism and install monarchies" would certainly be far right.
Monarchism is pretty effectively dead as an ideology today, but back in the 19th century it was both the "right wing" ideology and a rather potent force with new countries such as Greece and Belgium being established as monarchies, and things like France trying to foist an Emperor on Mexico. Maybe with a more successful Bonapartist France or Imperial Russia monarchism could survive to modernity as a political force.
I'd argue that that would only be far-right if it was done with violent intent as well as an intent to crush/exterminate anyone opposing their views. Catholic missionary work and the promotion of constitutional is hardly far right IMO.
I think the biggest obstacle with this challenge is the internationalist element. There are far-right ideologies that did get exported across the world (fascism is the best example), but this isn't an ideology that necessarily cultivates a degree of international solidarity to the degree that leftist ideologies do. If China somehow went fascist around the same time as Japan, for example, neither of the two would likely get along just due to hypernationalism putting the two competing powers at odds with each other. IMO, the best shot you got at a far-right ideology becoming internationalist is if it's economically far-right, like anarcho-capitalism. Then you get this sort of situation where its adherents seek to maximize hyper-capitalism around the world.
I mean, that's fascism for you. Certainly exportable, has a lot to say on social and economic issues (even if it's a bit jumbled and not fully consistent) and did actually attempt to become internationalist at some point (although those attempts failed in part because each fascist movement was more concerned with its own national goals than it was with advancing any international cause).
Anarchism is a left-wing ideology.
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Anarchism is a left-wing philosophy, in that the right is usually pro-hierarchy (nobility, church, big business, etc) and the left is anti-hierarchy.
What about the weird thing Japan had going on? Granted, in OTL they went totally racists but what if they actually embraced the whole 'We will free you from colonialism' stuff?
VVD0D95
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How so? There’s no ethnic nationalism involved and many absolute monarchs weren’t catholic either. Would wanting to
Maintain monarchies and restore others be far right?
Given the default was monarchy back the. One can see why. Would it being a dead ideology today really make it far right tho?
Anarchism is not nor ever has been right wing. It has its origins in the far left, and remains such. The entity referred to as “anarcho-capitalism” today is much newer and difficult to actually consider anarchism, to the extent that most anarchists don’t consider them to be such.
Good examples, I wonder if it would be plausible to unite them in some sort of international anti-secularist holy (or rather unholy) alliance, sort of like the attempts for collaboration between the Nation of Islam and Neo-Nazis.
Also, what would be the Protestant equivalent?
Like the anti-unionist politics before the IRAA took power becoming a coherent ideology that's exported abroad? That would be interesting, but I feel like that would just look like a more authoritarian neoliberalism. Actually, I think that brings up an interesting argument that modern "status quo" ideologies, such as neoconservatism and neoliberalism could be considered internationalist right-wing ideologies, depending on where you put them on the political spectrum at least.
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If you want to call it right-wing, globalist classical liberalism/globalist libertarianism/neoliberalism checks the box too though it's hard to per se call it right wing given how it tends to be socially liberal, not care much for tradition, and undermine established social and political hierarchies.
Dismantle regulatory systems of economic oppression that keep peoples apart. Free movement of goods, services, capital, and labor. The problem is that the process of exporting it by force tends to undermine it at home (ergo national security tends to be a big justification for undermining the free movement of all four of those things).
I don't see why a protestant faction couldn't operate the same way as islamism or transnational catholicism. If it's a high church protestantism, then copy-paste the catholicism example. If it's low-church, it'd be something like salafism perhaps.
Dismantle regulatory systems of economic oppression that keep peoples apart. Free movement of goods, services, capital, and labor. The problem is that the process of exporting it by force tends to undermine it at home (ergo national security tends to be a big justification for undermining the free movement of all four of those things).
I don't see why a protestant faction couldn't operate the same way as islamism or transnational catholicism. If it's a high church protestantism, then copy-paste the catholicism example. If it's low-church, it'd be something like salafism perhaps.
OK I guess I could have been more specific in what I'm imagining. I had initially thought of monarchism but for the most part Monarchy in the 19th century developed nationalistic tendencies, with the exception of the Habsburgs and Austria (due to being a multi-ethnic state). Plus, monarchism wouldn't really work as an ideology in 19th century Latin America. Right now I'm kinda imagining using corporatism (organization of society by corporate groups, such as agricultural, labour, military, scientific, or guild associations on the basis of their common interests) as a basis, being hierarchical and involving class collaboration, rather than the (nominal) equality and class conflict of communism, perhaps combined with elements of neo-feudalism or Neo-medievalism?