The Last Hanover: The Life and Reign of Queen Charlotte

[isabella]

No way Belgium will get independence here (as Louis Philippe (or his eldest son) would be unacceptable for everyone and he was the candidate for the rebels) and I can NOT see Henry V accepting to be crowned as King of the French. He would keep his hereditary title of King of France. In OTL the change was needed for covering up the “usurpation” of Louis Philippe, but here Henry has already his title.

 

[John Fredrick Parker]

... and I can NOT see Henry V accepting to be crowned as King of the French. He would keep his hereditary title of King of France. In OTL the change was needed for covering up the “usurpation” of Louis Philippe, but here Henry has already his title.

You do realize he's 10 here, right?

 

[MBerco]

No way Belgium will get independence here (as Louis Philippe (or his eldest son) would be unacceptable for everyone and he was the candidate for the rebels) and I can NOT see Henry V accepting to be crowned as King of the French. He would keep his hereditary title of King of France. In OTL the change was needed for covering up the “usurpation” of Louis Philippe, but here Henry has already his title.

He may have already have had his title, but number one, he’s ten, so what he thinks doesn’t matter. Two, they were in a very precarious situation and his mother and regent was doing whatever necessary for her son to keep his throne, regardless of what titles or powers he had.

 

[isabella]

You do realize he's 10 here, right?

Yes. Still NOBODY would presume to ask him to renounce to his rightful hereditary title for taking another simply for pleasing some rebels.

He may have already have had his title, but number one, he’s ten, so what he thinks doesn’t matter. Two, they were in a very precarious situation and his mother and regent was doing whatever necessary for her son to keep his throne, regardless of what titles or powers he had.

Parliament is really UNLIKELY to ask for that useless change of title. Louis Philippe NEEDED it, Henry V do not need it (as his rule is already legitimate) and would risk to damage the abdication of his grandfather and uncle.
The flag is more than enough, the change of title is without any sense

 

[MBerco]

Parliament is really UNLIKELY to ask for that useless change of title. Louis Philippe NEEDED it, Henry V do not need it (as his rule is already legitimate) and would risk to damage the abdication of his grandfather and uncle.
The flag is more than enough, the change of title is without any sense

I wasn’t disputing whether or not it would have been plausible or even probable. I was just saying that Henri V wouldn’t have been making that decision, his mother would have been calling the shots. You probably have more knowledge on the subject than I do. My only point was that at 10 he is a lot less set in his ways than he was in 1870.

 

[isabella]

I wasn’t disputing whether or not it would have been plausible or even probable. I was just saying that Henri V wouldn’t have been making that decision, his mother would have been calling the shots. You probably have more knowledge on the subject than I do. My only point was that at 10 he is a lot less set in his ways than he was in 1870.

My point and my comment on Henry‘s title was not related to his OTL refusal of the flag. ATL Henry V will be without doubt MUCH different from the OTL one, but Parliament has NO reason for ask a change of title to Henry, specially NOT changing his hereditary title with a new one with strong Napoleonic reminiscences...

 

[MBerco]

My point and my comment on Henry‘s title was not related to his OTL refusal of the flag. ATL Henry V will be without doubt MUCH different from the OTL one, but Parliament has NO reason for ask a change of title to Henry, specially NOT changing his hereditary title with a new one with strong Napoleonic reminiscences..

Good point.

 

[GrandMaster]

Long live Queen Charlotte!

 

[The_Most_Happy]

As requested! (This was so phenomenal for planning, thank you so much for asking for this!)

House of Bourbon: 1830 [France]​

Louis Ferdinand, Dauphin of France (September 4, 1729 - December 20, 1765) m. February 9, 1747 Princess Maria Josefa of Saxony (November 4, 1731 - March 13, 1767)

1. Stillborn son (January 30 1748).
2. Stillborn son (May 10, 1749).
3. Marie Zéphyrine de France (August 26, 1750 - September 1, 1755)
4. Louis Joseph, Duc de Burgundy (September 13, 1751 - March 22, 1761)
5. Stillborn daughter (March 9, 1752)
6. Xavier, Duc d’Aquitaine (September 5, 1753 - February 22, 1754)
7. Louis XVI, The King of France (August 23, 1754 - January 21, 1793) m. May 16, 1770 Archduchess Maria Antonia of Austria (November 2, 1755 - October 16, 1793)

a. Marie Thérèse of France, Madame Royale (December 19, 1778) m. June 10, 1799 Louis Antoine, Duc d’Angoulême (August 6, 1775)​

b. Louis Joseph, Dauphin of France (October 22, 1781 - June 4, 1789)​

c. Louis XVII, The King of France (March 27, 1785 - June 8, 1795)​

d. Princess Sophie of France (July 9, 1786 - June 19, 1787)​

8. Louis XVIII, The King of France (November 17, 1755 - September 16, 1824) m. May 14, 1771 Princess Maria Giuseppina of Savoy (September 2, 1753 - November 13, 1810)
9. Stillborn son (1756)
10. Charles X, The King of France (October 9, 1757) m. November 16, 1773 Princess Maria Teresa of Savoy (January 31, 1756 - June 2, 1805)

a. Louis Antoine, Duc d’Angoulême (August 6, 1775) m. June 10, 1799 Marie Thérèse de France, Madame Royale (December 19, 1778)​

b. Princess Sophie of France, Mademoiselle d'Artois (August 5, 1776 - December 5, 1783)​

c. Charles Ferdinand, Duc de Berry (January 24, 1778 - February 14, 1820) m. April 24, 1816 Princess Maria Carolina of the Two Sicilies (November 5, 1798)​

i. Princess Louise d’Artois Élisabeth (July 13, 1817 - July 14, 1817)​

ii. Prince Louis d’Artois (September 13, 1818 - September 13, 1818)​

Iii. Princess Louise of France (September 21, 1819)​

iv. Henri V, The King of France (September 29, 1820)​

d. Princess Marie Thérèse of France, Mademoiselle d'Angoulême (January 6, 1783 - June 22, 1783)​

11. Princess Marie Clotilde of France (September 23, 1759 - March 7, 1802) m. September 30, 1775 Carlo Emanuele IV, The King of Sardinia (May 24, 1751 - October 6, 1819)
12. Stillborn son (1762)
13. Princess Élisabeth of France (May 3, 1764 - May 10, 1794)

House of Bourbon: 1830 [Spain]​

Carlos IV, The King of Spain (November 11, 1748 - January 20, 1819) m. September 4, 1765 Princess Maria Luisa of Parma (December 9, 1751 - January 2, 1819)

1. Infante Carlos Clemente of Spain (September 19, 1771 - March 7, 1774)
2. Infanta Carlota Joaquina of Spain (April 25, 1775 - January 7, 1830) m. June 9, 1785 Joao IV, The King of Portugal and the Algarves (May 13, 1767 - March 10, 1826)

a. Issue (see Portugal)​

3. Infant Maria Luisa of Spain (September 11, 1777 - July 2, 1782)
4. Infanta Maria Amalia of Spain (January 9, 1779 - July 22, 1798) m. August 25, 1795 Infante Antonio Pascual of Spain (December 31, 1755 - April 20, 1817)

a. Stillborn son (July 22, 1798)​

5. Infante Carlos Domingo of Spain (March 5, 780 - June 11, 1783)
6. Infanta Maria Luisa of Spain (July 6, 1782 - March 13, 1824) m. August 25, 1795 Luigi, The Duke of Parma, King of Etruria (July 5, 1773 - May 21, 1803)

a. Issue (See Parma)​

7. Infante Carlos Francisco de Paula of Spain (September 5 1783 - November 11, 1784)
8. Infante Felipe Francisco de Paula of Spain (September 5, 1783 - October 18, 1784)
9. Fernando VII, The King of Spain (October 14, 1784) m. October 6, 1802 Princess Maria Antonia of Naples and Sicily (December 14, 1784 - May 21, 1806) [a]; m. September 29, 1816 Infanta Maria Isabel of Portugal (May 19, 1797 - December 26, 1818) ; m. October 20, 1819 Princess Maria Josefa Amalia of Saxony (December 6, 1803 - May 18, 1829) [c]; m. May 27, 1829 Princess Maria Cristina of the Two Sicilies (April 27, 1806) [d]

1b. Infanta Maria Luisa Isabel of Spain (August 21, 1817 - January 9, 1818)​

2b. Stillborn daughter (December 26, 1818)​

3d. Infanta Maria Isabel of Spain (October 10, 1830)​

10. Infante Carlos of Spain (March 29, 1788) m. September 22, 1816 Infanta Maria Francisca of Portugal (April 22, 1800)

a. Infante Carlos of Spain (January 31, 1818)​

b. Infante Juan of Spain (May 15, 1822)​

c. Infante Fernando of Spain (October 19, 1824)​

11. Infanta Maria Isabel of Spain (July 6, 1789) m. July 2, 1802 Francesco I, The King of the Two Sicilies (August 19, 1777 - November 8, 1830)

a. Issue (See Naples and Sicily)​

12. Infanta Maria Teresa of Spain (February 16, 1791 - November 2, 1794)
13. Infante Felipe Maria of Spain (March 28, 1792 - March 1, 1794)
14. Infante Francesco de Paula of Spain (March 10, 1794) m. June 12, 1819 Princess Luisa Carlotta of the Two Sicilies (October 24, 1804)

a. Infante Francisco de Assis (May 6, 1820 - November 15, 1821)​

b. Infante Isabel Fernanda of Spain (May 18, 1821)​

c. Infante Francisco de Assis of Spain (May 13, 1822)​

d. Infante Enrique of Spain (April 17, 1823)​

e. Infanta Luisa Teresa of Spain (June 11, 1824)​

f. Infante Duarte Felipe of Spain (April 4, 1826)​

g. Infanta Josefina Fernanda of Spain (May 25, 1827)​

h. Infanta Maria Teresa of Spain (November 15, 1828 - November 3, 1829)​

House of Bourbon: 1830 [Naples and Sicily]​

Francesco I, The King of the Two Sicilies (August 19, 1777 - November 8, 1830) m. September 19, 1790 HRH Archduchess Maria Klementina of Austria (April 24, 1777 - November 15, 1801) [a]; m. July 2, 1802 Infanta Maria Isabel of Spain (July 6, 1789)

1a. Princess Maria Carolina of the Two Sicilies (November 5, 1798) m. April 24, 1816 Charles Ferdinand, Duc de Berry (January 24, 1778 - February 14, 1820)

a. Issue (See France)​

2a. Prince Ferdinando of the Two Sicilies (August 27, 1800 - July 1, 1801)
3b. Princess Luisa Carlotta of the Two Sicilies (October 24, 1804) m. June 12, 1819 Infante Francesco de Paula of Spain (March 10, 1794)

a. Issue (See Spain)​

4b. Princess Maria Cristina of the Two Sicilies (April 27, 1806) m. May 27, 1829 Fernando VII, The King of Spain (October 14, 1784)

a. Issue (See Spain)​

5b. Ferdinando II, The King of the Two Sicilies (January 12, 1810)
6b. Prince Carlo Ferdinando of the Two Sicilies, Prince of Capua (November 10, 1811)
7b. Prince Leopoldo Beniamino of the Two Sicilies, Count of Syracuse (May 22, 1813)
8b. Princess Maria Antonietta of the Two Sicilies (December 19, 1814)
9b. Prince Antonio Pasquale of the Two Sicilies, Count of Lecce (September 23, 1816)
10b. Princess Maria Amelia of the Two Sicilies (February 25, 1818)
11b. Princess Maria Carolina Ferdinanda of the Two Sicilies (November 29, 1820)
12b. Princess Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies (March 14, 1822)
13b. Prince Luigi Carlo of the Two Sicilies, Count of Aquila (July 19, 1824)
14b. Prince Francesco of the Two Sicilies, Count of Trapani (August 13, 1827)

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House of Bourbon: 1830 [Parma]​

Luigi, The Duke of Parma, King of Etruria (July 5, 1773 - May 21, 1803) m. August 25, 1795 Infanta Maria Luisa of Spain (July 6, 1782 - March 13, 1824)

1. Carlo, The Duke of Parma and Piacenza (December 22, 1799) m. September 5, 1820 Princess Maria Teresa of Savoy (September 19, 1803)

a. Princess Luisa of Parma (October 29, 1821 - September 8, 1823)​

b. Ferdinando Carlo, The Hereditary Prince of Lucca (January 14, 1823)​

2. Princess Maria Luisa Carlota of Parma (October 2, 1802) m. November 7, 1825 Prince Maximilian of Saxony (April 13, 1759)

a. Issue (See Saxony)​

House of Braganza: 1830 [Brazil]​

Pedro, The Emperor of Brazil (October 12, 1798) m. November 6, 1817 Archduchess Maria Leopoldina of Austria (January 22, 1797 - December 11, 1826) [a]; m. October 17, 1829 Princess Amelie of Leuchtenberg (July 31, 1812)

1a. Princess Maria of Brazil (April 4, 1819)
2a. Miguel, Prince of Beira (April 26, 1820 - April 26, 1820)
3a. João Carlos, Prince of Beira (March 6, 1821 - February 4, 1822)
4a. Princess Januaria of Brazil (March 11, 1822)
5a. Princess Paula of Brazil (February 17, 1823)
6a. Princess Francisca of Brazil (August 2, 1824)
7a. Pedro, The Prince Imperial of Brazil (December 2, 1825)

House of Braganza: 1830 [Portugal]​

Joao IV, The King of Portugal and the Algarves (May 13, 1767 - March 10, 1826) m. June 9, 1785 Infanta Carlota Joaquina of Spain (April 25, 1775 - January 7, 1830)

1. Infanta Maria Teresa of Portugal (April 29, 1793) m. Infante Pedro Carlos of Spain and Portugal (June 18, 1786 - July 4, 1812)

a. Infante Sebastian of Portugal and Spain (November 4, 1811)​

2. Francisco Antonio, Prince of Beira (March 21, 1795 - June 11, 1801)
3. Infanta Maria Isabel of Portugal (May 19, 1797 - December 26, 1818) m. September 29, 1816 Fernando VII, The King of Spain (October 14, 1784)

a. Issue (see Spain)​

4. Pedro, The Emperor of Brazil (October 12, 1798) m. November 6, 1817 Archduchess Maria Leopoldina of Austria (January 22, 1797 - December 11, 1826) a]; m. October 17, 1829 Princess Amélie de Beauharnais of Leuchtenberg (July 31, 1812)

a. Issue (See Brazil)​

5. Infanta Maria Francisca of Portugal (April 22, 1800) m. September 22, 1816 Infante Carlos of Spain (March 29, 1788)

a. Issue (See Spain)​

6. Infanta Isabel Maria of Portugal (July 14, 1801)
7. Miguel I, The King of Portugal (October 26, 1802) m. September 1, 1828 Princess Ludovika of Bavaria (August 30, 1808)

a. Infanta Luisa of Portugal (February 5, 1830)​

b. Afonso, The Prince Royal of Portugal (February 5, 1830)​

8. Infanta Maria da Assunção of Portugal (June 25, 1805) m. September 1, 1828 Duke Maximilian Joseph in Bavaria (December 4, 1808)

a. Duchess Amalie Charlotte in Bavaria (December 10, 1830)​

9. Infanta Ana de Jesus of Portugal (October 23, 1806) m. December 5, 1827 Dom Nuno de Mendoça Rolim de Moura Barreto, 1st Duke of Loulé (November 6, 1804)

a. Dona Ana Carlotta de Mendóça Rolim de Moura Barreto (December 27, 1827)​

b. Dona Maria de Mendóça Rolim de Moura Barreto (February 26, 1829)​

c. Dom Pedro de Mendóça Rolim de Moura Barreto (October 7, 1830)​

House of Habsburg: 1830 (Austria)​

Franz I, The Emperor of Austria, Apostolic King of Hungary (February 12, 1768) m. January 6, 1788 Duchess Elisabeth of Württemberg (April 27, 1767 - February 18, 1790) [a]; m. September 15, 1790 Princess Maria Teresa of Naples and Sicily (June 6, 1772 - April 13, 1807) ; m. January 6, 1808 Archduchess Maria Ludovika of Austria-Este (December 14, 1787 - April 7, 1816) [c]; m. October 29, 1816 Princess Karoline Auguste of Bavaria (February 8, 1792) [d]

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1a. Archduchess Ludovika Elisabeth of Austria (February 18, 1790 - June 24, 1791)
2b. Archduchess Maria Ludovika of Austria, Duchess of Parma, Piacenza and Guastalla (December 12, 1791) m. April 1, 1810 Napoleon, The Emperor of the French (August 15, 1769 - May 5, 1821) [1]; m. August 8, 1821 Adam Albert, Count von Neipperg (April 8, 1775 - February 22, 1829) [2]

a1. Napoléon François Joseph Charles Bonaparte, The Duke of Reichstadt (March 20, 1811)​

b2. Countess Albertine di Montenuovo (May 1, 1817)​

c2. Wilhelm Albrecht, Count de Montenuovo (August 8, 1819)​

d2. Countess Mathilde di Montenuovo (September 14, 1822)​

3b. Ferdinand, The Crown Prince of Austria, Hungary, Bohemia and Croatia (April 19, 1793)
4b. Archduchess Maria Karolina of Austria (June 8, 1794 - March 16, 1795)
5b. Archduchess Karolina Ludovika of Austria (December 22, 1795 - June 30, 1797)
6b. Archduchess Maria Leopoldina of Austria (January 22, 1797 - December 11, 1826) m. November 6, 1817 Pedro, The Emperor of Brazil (October 12, 1798)

a. Issue (See Brazil)​

7b. Archduchess Maria Klementina of Austria (March 1, 1798) m. July 28, 1816 Prince Leopoldo of Naples and Sicily, Prince of Salerno (July 2, 1790)

a. Stillborn daughter (September 16, 1819)​

b. Princess Maria Carolina of the Two Sicilies (April 26, 1822)​

c. Prince Alberto of the Two Sicilies (July 19, 1824)*​

d. Princess Maria Teresa of the Two Sicilies (February 5, 1829)**​

8b. Archduke Josef Franz Leopold of Austria (April 9, 1799 - June 30, 1807)
9b. Archduchess Maria Karolina of Austria (April 8, 1801) m. September 26, 1819 Friedrich August, The Crown Prince of Saxony (May 18, 1797)
10b. Archduke Franz Karl of Austria (December 17, 1802) m. November 4, 1824 Princess Sophie of Bavaria (January 27, 1805)

a. Archduke Franz Josef of Austria (August 18, 1830)​

11b. Archduchess Maria Anna of Austria (June 8, 1804)
12b. Archduke Johann Nepomuk of Austria (August 30, 1805 - February 19, 1809)
13b. Archduchess Amalia Theresia of Austria (April 6, 1807 - April 9, 1807)

House of Hohenzollern: 1830 (Prussia)​

Friedrich Wilhelm III, The King of Prussia (August 3, 1770) m. December 24, 1793 Duchess Luise of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (March 10, 1776 - July 19, 1810) [a]; m. morganatically November 9, 1824 Countess Auguste von Harrach, created Princess von Liegnitz and Countess von Hohenzollern (August 30, 1800)

1a. Stillborn daughter (October 1, 1794)
2a. Friedrich Wilhelm, The Crown Prince of Prussia (October 15, 1795) m. November 29, 1823 Princess Elisabeth Ludovika of Bavaria (November 13, 1801)

a. Prince Friedrich Wilhelm of Prussia (November 1, 1830)​

3a. Prince Wilhelm of Prussia (March 22, 1797) m. July 30, 1826 Princess Elisa Radziwill (October 28, 1803)

a. Princess Luise of Prussia (February 7, 1827)​

4a. Princess Charlotte of Prussia (July 13, 1798) m. July 13, 1817 Nikolai I Pavlovich, The Emperor and Autocrat of all the Russias (July 6, 1796)

a. Issue (See Russia)​

5a. Princess Friederike of Prussia (October 14 1799 - March 30, 1800)
6a. Prince Karl of Prussia (June 29, 1801) m. January 26, 1827 Princess Marie of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (February 3, 1808)

a. Prince Friedrich Karl of Prussia (March 20, 1828)​

b. Princess Marie of Prussia (March 1, 1829)***​

7a. Princess Alexandrine of Prussia (February 23, 1803) m. May 25, 1822 Paul Friedrich, The Hereditary Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (September 15, 1800)

a. Duke Friedrich Franz of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (February 23, 1823)​

b. Duchess Luise of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (May 17, 1824)​

c. Duke Wilhelm of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (March 5, 1827)​

d. Duchess Helene of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (June 6, 1829)​

8a. Prince Ferdinand of Prussia (December 13, 1804 - April 1, 1806)
9a. Princess Luise of Prussia (February 1, 1808) m. May 21, 1825 Prince Frederik of the Netherlands (February 28, 1797)

a. Issue (see Netherlands)​

10a. Prince Albrecht of Prussia (October 4, 1809) m. September 14, 1830 Princess Marianne of the Netherlands (May 9, 1810)

House of Orange: 1830 (Netherlands)​

Willem, The King of the Netherlands (August 24, 1772) m. October 1, 1791 Princess Wilhelmine of Prussia (November 18, 1774)

1. Willem, The Prince of Orange (December 6, 1792) m. February 21, 1816 Grand Duchess Anna Pavlovna of Russia (January 7, 1795)

a. Prince Willem of the Netherlands (February 19, 1817)​

b. Prince Alexander of the Netherlands (August 2, 1818)​

c. Prince Hendrik of the Netherlands (June 13, 1820)​

d. Prince Ernst Casimir of the Netherlands (May 21, 1822 - October 22, 1822)​

e. Princess Sophie of the Netherlands (April 8, 1824)​

2. Stillborn son (August 18, 1795)
3. Prince Frederik of the Netherlands (February 28, 1797) m. May 21, 1825 Princess Luise of Prussia (February 1, 1808)

a. Princess Louise of the Netherlands (August 5, 1828)​

4. Princess Pauline of the Netherlands (March 1, 1800 - December 22, 1806)
5. Stillborn son (August 30, 1806)
6. Princess Marianne of the Netherlands (May 9, 1810 - May 29, 1883) m. September 14, 1830 Prince Albrecht of Prussia (October 4, 1809)

House of Orleans: 1830 (France)​

Louis Philippe, The Duc d’Orléans (October 6, 1773) m. November 25, 1806 Princess Maria Amalia of Naples and Sicily (April 26, 1782)

1. Ferdinand Philippe d’Orléans, Duc de Chartres (September 3, 1810)
2. Princess Louise d’Orléans (April 3, 1812)
3. Princess Marie d’Orléans (April 12, 1813)
4. Prince Louis d’Orléans (October 25, 1814)
5. Princess Françoise d’Orléans (March 26, 1816 - May 20, 1818)
6. Princess Clémentine d'Orléans (March 6, 1817)
7. Prince François d'Orléans (August 14, 1818)
8. Prince Charles d'Orléans (January 1, 1820 - July 25, 1828)
9. Prince Henri d'Orléans (January 16, 1822)
10. Prince Antoine d'Orléans (July 31, 1824)

House of Romanov: 1830 (Russia)​

Pavel I Petrovich, The Emperor and Autocrat of all the Russias (October 1, 1754 - March 23, 1801) m. October 7, 1776 Duchess Sophia Dorothea of Württemberg (October 25, 1759 - November 5, 1824)

1. Aleksandr I Pavlovich, The Emperor and Autocrat of All the Russias (December 12, 1777 - November 19, 1825) m. September 28, 1793 Princess Luise of Baden (January 13, 1779 - May 4, 1826)

a. Grand Duchess Mariya Aleksandrovna of Russia (May 29, 1799 - July 8, 1800)​

b. Grand Duchess Yelizaveta Aleksandrovna of Russia (November 15, 1806 - May 12, 1808)​

2. Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich of Russia (April 27, 1779) m. February 26, 1796, div. March 20, 1820 Princess Juliane of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (September 23, 1781) [a]; m. morganatically May 7, 1820 Countess Joanna Grudzińska (May 17, 1791)
3. Grand Duchess Aleksandra Pavlovna of Russia (August 9, 1783 - March 16, 1801) m. October 30, 1799 Archduke Josef of Austria, Palatine of Hungary (March 9, 1776)

a. Archduchess Alexandrine of Austria (March 8, 1801 - March 8, 1801)​

4. Grand Duchess Yelena Pavlovna of Russia (December 13, 1784 - September 24, 1803) m. October 12, 1799 Friedrich Ludwig, The Hereditary Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (June 13, 1778 - November 29, 1819)

a. Paul Friedrich, The Hereditary Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (September 15, 1800) m. May 25, 1822 Princess Alexandrine of Prussia (February 23, 1803)​

i. Duke Friedrich Franz of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (February 23, 1823)​

ii. Duchess Luise of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (May 17, 1824)​

iii. Duke Wilhelm of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (March 5, 1827)​

iv. Duchess Helene of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (June 6, 1829)​

b. Duchess Marie of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (March 31, 1803) m. October 7, 1825 Prince Georg of Saxe-Altenburg (July 24, 1796)​

i. Prince Ernst of Saxe-Altenburg (September 16, 1826)​

ii. Prince Albrecht of Saxe-Altenburg (October 31, 1827)​

iii. Prince Moritz of Saxe-Altenburg (October 24, 1829)​

5. Grand Duchess Mariya Pavlovna of Russia (February 4, 1786) m. August 3, 1804 Karl Friedrich, The Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (February 2, 1783)

a. Prince Karl of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (September 25, 1805 - April 10, 1806)​

b. Princess Marie of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (February 3, 1808) m. January 26, 1827 Prince Karl of Prussia (June 29, 1801)​

i. Issue (See Prussia)​

c. Princess Auguste of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (September 30, 1811)​

d. Karl Alexander, The Hereditary Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (June 24, 1818)​

6. Grand Duchess Yekaterina Pavlovna of Russia (May 21, 1788 - January 9, 1819) m. August 3, 1809 Duke Georg of Oldenburg (May 9, 1784 - December 27, 1812) [1]; m. January 24, 1816 Wilhelm I, The King of Württemberg (September 27, 1781) [2]

a1. Duke Alexander of Oldenburg (August 30, 1810 - November 16, 1829)​

b1. Duke Peter of Oldenburg (August 26, 1812)​

c2. Princess Marie of Württemberg (October 30, 1816)​

d2. Princess Sophie of Württemberg (June 17, 1818)​

7. Grand Duchess Olga Pavlovna of Russia (July 22, 1792 - January 26, 1795)
8. Grand Duchess Anna Pavlovna of Russia (January 7, 1795) m. February 21, 1816 Willem, The Prince of Orange (December 6, 1792)

a. Issue (See Netherlands)​

9. Nikolai I Pavlovich, The Emperor and Autocrat of All the Russias (June 25, 1796) m. July 13, 1817 Princess Charlotte of Prussia (July 13, 1798)

a. Aleksandr Nikolayevich, The Tsarevich of Russia (April 29, 1818)​

b. Grand Duchess Mariya Nikolaevna of Russia (August 18, 1819)​

c. Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna of Russia (September 11, 1822)​

d. Grand Duchess Aleksandra Nikolaevna of Russia (June 24, 1825)​

e. Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolayevich of Russia (September 21, 1827)​

10. Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich of Russia (February 8, 1798) m. February 20, 1824 Princess Charlotte of Württemberg (January 9, 1807)

a. Grand Duchess Mariya Mikhailovna of Russia (March 9, 1825)​

b. Grand Duchess Yelizaveta Mikhailovna of Russia (May 26, 1826)​

c. Grand Duchess Yekaterina Mikhailovna of Russia (August 28, 1827)​

House of Wittelsbach: 1830 (Bavaria)​

Maximilian I Josef, The King of Bavaria (May 27, 1756 - October 13, 1825) m. September 30, 1785 Princess Auguste Wilhelm of Hesse-Darmstadt (April 14, 1765 - March 30, 1796) [a]; m. March 9, 1797 Princess Karoline of Baden (July 13, 1776)
1a. Ludwig I, The King of Bavaria (August 265, 1786) m. October 12, 1810 Princess Therese of Saxe-Hildburghausen (July 8, 1792)

a. Maximilian, The Crown Prince of Bavaria (November 28, 1811)​

b. Princess Mathilde Karoline of Bavaria (August 30, 1813)​

c. Prince Otto of Bavaria (June 1, 1815)​

d. Princess Theodolinde of Bavaria (October 7, 1816)​

e. Prince Luitpold of Bavaria (March 21, 1821)​

f. Princess Adelgunde of Bavaria (March 29, 1823)​

g. Princess Hildegard of Bavaria (June 10, 1825)​

h. Princess Alexandra of Bavaria (August 26, 1826)​

i. Prince Adalbert of Bavaria (July 19, 1828)​

2a Princess Auguste of Bavaria (June 21, 1788) m. January 14, 1806 Eugène de Beauharnais, The Duke of Leuchtenberg (September 3, 1781 - February 21, 1824)

a. Princess Joséphine de Beauharnais of Leuchtenberg (March 14, 1807) m. June 19, 1823 Oscar, The Crown Prince of Sweden and Norway (July 4, 1799)​

i. Prince Carl of Sweden and Norway, Duke of Scania (May 3, 1826)​

ii. Prince Gustaf of Sweden and Norway, Duke of Uppland (June 18, 1827)​

iii. Prince Oscar of Sweden and Norway, Duke of Östergötland (January 21, 1829)​

iv. Princess Eugénie of Sweden and Norway (April 24, 1830)​

b. Princess Eugénie de Beauharnais of Leuchtenberg (December 22, 1808) m. May 22, 1826 Konstantin, The Hereditary Prince of Hohenzollern-Hechingen (February 16, 1801)​

c. Auguste de Beauharnais, The Duke of Leuchtenberg (December 9, 1810)​

d. Princess Amélie de Beauharnais of Leuchtenberg (July 31, 1812) m. October 17, 1829 Pedro, The Emperor of Brazil (October 12, 1798)​

e. Princess Théodolinde de Beauharnais of Leuchtenberg (April 13, 1814)​

f. Princess Caroline Clotilde de Beauharnais of Leuchtenberg (January 15, 1816 - January 25, 1816)​

g. Prince Maximillian de Beauharnais (October 2, 1817)​

3a. Princess Amalie of Bavaria (October 9, 1790 - January 24, 1794)
4a. Princess Karoline Auguste of Bavaria (February 8, 1792) m. June 8, 1808, div. August 31, 1814 Wilhelm I, The King of Württemberg (September 27, 1781) [1] m. October 29, 1816 Franz I, The Emperor of Austria, Apostolic King of Hungary (February 12, 1768) [2]
5a. Price Karl Theodor of Bavaria (July 7, 1795) m. October 1, 1823 morganatically Marie-Anne-Sophie Petin, created Baroness von Bayrstorff (July 27, 1796 - February 22, 1838)

a. Baroness Karoline Sophie von Bayrstorff (October 16, 1817)​

b. Baroness Maximiliane Theodora von Bayrstorff (September 20, 1823)​

c. Baroness Franziska Sophie von Bayrstorff (October 10, 1827)​

6b. Stillborn son (September 5, 1799)
7b Prince Maximilian of Bavaria (September 28, 1800 - February 12, 1803)
8b. Princess Elisabeth Ludovika of Bavaria (November 13, 1801) m. November 29, 1823 Friedrich Wilhelm, The Crown Prince of Prussia (October 15, 1795)

a. Issue (See Prussia)​

9b. Princess Amalie Auguste of Bavaria (November 13, 1801) m. November 21, 1822 Prince Johann of Saxony (December 12, 1801)

a. Issue (See Saxony)​

10b. Princess Sophie of Bavaria (January 27, 1805) m. November 4, 1824 Archduke Franz Karl of Austria (December 17, 1802)

a. Issue (See Austria)​

11b. Princess Maria Anna of Bavaria (January 27, 1805)
12b. Princess Ludovika of Bavaria (August 30, 1808) m. September 1, 1828 Miguel I, The King of Portugal (October 26, 1802)

a. Issue (See Portugal)​

13b. Princess Maximiliana of Bavaria (July 21, 1810 - February 4, 1821)

House of Wettin: 1830 (Saxony)​

Friedrich Christian, The Elector of Saxony (September 5, 1722 - December 17, 1763) m. June 13, 1747 Duchess Maria Antonia of Bavaria (July 18, 1724 - April 23, 1780)

​

1. Stillborn son (June 9, 1748)
2. Friedrich August I, The King of Saxony (December 23, 1750 - May 5, 1827) m. Countess Amalie of Zweibrücken-Birkenfeld-Bischweiler (May 10, 1752 - November 15, 1828)

a. Stillborn child (1771)​

b. Stillborn child (1775)​

c. Princess Maria Auguste of Saxony (June 21, 1782)​

d. Stillborn child (1797)​

3. Prince Karl of Saxony (September 24, 1752 - September 8, 1781)
4. Prince Josef of Saxony (January 26, 1754 - March 25, 1763)
5. Anton I, The King of Saxony (December 27, 1755) m. October 24, 1781 Princess Maria Carolina of Savoy (January 17, 1764 - December 28, 1782) [1]; m. October 18, 1787 Archduchess Maria Theresia of Austria, Princess of Tuscany (January 14, 1767 - November 7, 1827) [2]

a2. Princess Maria Ludovika of Saxony (March 14, 1795 - April 25, 1796)​

b2. Prince Friedrich August of Saxony (April 5, 1796 - April 5, 1796)​

c2. Princess Maria Johanna of Saxony (April 5, 1798 - October 30, 1799)​

d2. Princess Maria Theresia of Saxony (October 15, 1799 - October 15, 1799)​

6. Princess Maria Amalia of Saxony (September 26, 1757) m. February 12, 1774 Karl August II, The Duke of Zweibrücken (October 29, 1746 - April 1, 1795)

a. Prince Karl August of Zweibrücken (March 2, 1776 - August 21, 1784)​

7. Prince Maximilian of Saxony (April 13, 1759) m. May 9, 1792 Princess Carolina of Parma (November 22, 1770 - March 1, 1804) [1]; m. November 7, 1825 Princess Maria Luisa Carlota of Parma (October 2, 1802) [2]

a1. Princess Maria Amalia of Saxony (August 10, 1794)​

b1. Princess Maria Ferdinanda of Saxony (April 27, 1796) m. May 6, 1821 Ferdinando III, The Grand Duke of Tuscany (May 6, 1769 - June 18, 1824)​

c1. Friedrich August, The Crown Prince of Saxony (May 18, 1797) m. September 26, 1819 Archduchess Maria Karolina of Austria (April 8, 1801)​

d1. Prince Klemens of Saxony (May 1, 1798 - January 4, 1822)​

e1. Princess Maria Anna of Saxony (November 15, 1799) m. October 28, 1817 Leopoldo II, The Hereditary Grand Duke of Tuscany (October 3, 1797)​

i. Archduke Francesco of Austria, Prince of Tuscany (November 19, 1822)​

ii. Archduchess Auguste Ferdinanda of Austria, Princess of Tuscany (April 1, 1825)​

iii. Archduchess Maria Maximiliana of Austria, Princess of Tuscany (January 9, 1827)​

f1. Prince Johann of Saxony (December 12, 1801) m. November 21, 1822 Princess Amalie Auguste of Bavaria (November 13, 1801)​

i. Princess Maria of Saxony (January 2 1827)​

ii. Prince Albrecht of Saxony (April 23, 1828)​

iii. Princess Elisabeth of Saxony (February 4, 1830)​

g1. Princess Maria Josefa Amalia of Saxony (December 6, 1803) m. October 20, 1819 Fernando VII, The King of Spain (October 14, 1784)​

h2. Princess Maria Ludovika of Saxony (August 7, 1827)****​

i2. Princess Maria Antonia of Saxony (October 21, 1830)****​

8. Princess Maria Anna of Saxony (February 27, 1761 - November 26, 1820)
9. Stillborn son (1762)


Key:
*OTL he died shortly after his birth
**OTL she was stillborn
***OTL she went by the name Luise, but there’s a lot of those running around at the moment, so she’s going to be Marie. (There’s also a lot of those running around, I know, but there’s less in Prussia).
****OTL Maria Luisa and Maximilian had no children

 

[The_Most_Happy]

No way Belgium will get independence here (as Louis Philippe (or his eldest son) would be unacceptable for everyone and he was the candidate for the rebels) and I can NOT see Henry V accepting to be crowned as King of the French. He would keep his hereditary title of King of France. In OTL the change was needed for covering up the “usurpation” of Louis Philippe, but here Henry has already his title.

Parliament is really UNLIKELY to ask for that useless change of title. Louis Philippe NEEDED it, Henry V do not need it (as his rule is already legitimate) and would risk to damage the abdication of his grandfather and uncle.
The flag is more than enough, the change of title is without any sense

My point and my comment on Henry‘s title was not related to his OTL refusal of the flag. ATL Henry V will be without doubt MUCH different from the OTL one, but Parliament has NO reason for ask a change of title to Henry, specially NOT changing his hereditary title with a new one with strong Napoleonic reminiscences...

I see and appreciate the arguments made here, and have made the appropriate changes - @isabella was right. I actually called him the King of France earlier in the post, and must have made the King of the French slip later because I was reading Louis Philippe's page regarding the July Revolution. Thanks guys!

On August 9th, Henri V pledges his oath to the 1830 Charter, and receives his title as the King of France.

 

[isabella]

I see and appreciate the arguments made here, and have made the appropriate changes - @isabella was right. I actually called him the King of France earlier in the post, and must have made the King of the French slip later because I was reading Louis Philippe's page regarding the July Revolution. Thanks guys!

I was sure that must be a mistake as the change of title made simply no sense

 

[The_Most_Happy]

I was sure that must be a mistake as the change of title made simply no sense

Yeah, I must've been too focused on Louis Philippe's life after the July Revolution, since I used a lot of the events that happened after he became King and twisted them a bit for Henri.

 

[Opunium]

Good to see an update, and one with interesting divergences in France and the Netherlands! Really curious to what this change in landscape will mean for the different royal families of Europe and of course for the political landscape!

Any chance we will hear something from Napoleon?

 

[mauveine]

George, The King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, King of Hanover (June 4, 1738 - Jan. 29, 1820) m. Sept. 8, 1871 Princess Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (May 19, 1744 - Nov. 17, 1818)

I suspect that "1871" here is a goof. It should be "1761" instead
Enjoying the story greatly, regardless

 

[Jonathan]

I suspect that "1871" here is a goof. It should be "1761" instead
Enjoying the story greatly, regardless

I think so, as well as the marriage for Charlotte.

Charlotte, The Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland(Jan, 7, 1796) m. May 2, 1868 Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg und Gotha, The Prince Consort, The Duke of Kendal (December 16, 1790)

Happens all the time when doing alternative dates.

 

[The_Most_Happy]

Good to see an update, and one with interesting divergences in France and the Netherlands! Really curious to what this change in landscape will mean for the different royal families of Europe and of course for the political landscape!

Any chance we will hear something from Napoleon?

We will, though everyone in Europe will wish we hadn't

I suspect that "1871" here is a goof. It should be "1761" instead
Enjoying the story greatly, regardless

I think so, as well as the marriage for Charlotte.

Happens all the time when doing alternative dates.

Fixed them, thanks for the catch, guys!

 

[Jonathan]

Fixed them, thanks for the catch, guys!

No worries, as i said. It happens all the time.
I’ve created stories around an idea only to find out that the dates of births were actually hundred years apart lol

Great idea, well written and enjoyable story

 

[The_Most_Happy]

Let's play a game (because I am slogging through writing yet more wars)!

If I were to do another 'future' tidbit, what would you like to see?

• A. Someone's wedding
• B. A tour of the royal jewels
• C. Another birth announcement
• D. More media (Writing, movie scene, show scene, etc)
• E. Not listed here - please post below!

 

[vandevere]

I'm a sucker for glitz and glam, so a tour of the Royal Jewels is my pick...

 

[wwbgdiaslt]

Option D.