Terres Australes | Alternative World Thread by Substantial_Habit

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Wonderful work once again, I would like to see more of the natives of the islands and their history.
 
Great work! Did the Spanish-American War never happen?
This made me look at things a little more closely. In the Americas, not only is Puerto Rico Spanish, but Venezuela and the Dutch split (British) Guyana and Central America is Unified including all or most of Belize. (Is Bolivia a little bit larger at the expense of Paraguay?) (And I have no idea what is going on with the Islands in the Gulf of Mexico, (and not sure why the US EEZ would stop *at* the Islands.

In Europe, the borders in Central/Northeast Europe those between WWI and WWII except for Finland which has somehow gotten the entire Kola Peninsula (where Murmansk is) and thus is bigger than it ever was iOTL. Yugoslavia is still a thing and Ireland is still part of the UK. Also, Italy has Corsica! (No French EEZ)

In Africa, the Mali/Mauritania border is different, non-southern Sudan is Egyptian and there is some sort of East African Federation.

In Asia, Israel/Palestine has the Sinai, Arabia controls Yemen, Oman and the UAE (and anything else on the Peninsula) and Iraq has Kuwait. India has Bangladesh and French Indochina (?) is still a thing (Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos) Korea is Unified. Indonesia has been blown up and pieces are mostly with Malaysia other than the Portuguese have all of Timor and New Guinea is unified.
 
Great work! Did the Spanish-American War never happen?
Yes it did! But the turnout of events was a bit different. When the war ended and both parties signed the Treaty of Paris, Spain relinquished sovereignty over Cuba and the Philippines, which were invaded by the US almost instantly. Cuba and the Philippines attracted enormous American attention, but almost no discussion involved the other Spanish colonies of Puerto Rico or Guam, which remain Spanish until now.
 
This made me look at things a little more closely. In the Americas, not only is Puerto Rico Spanish, but Venezuela and the Dutch split (British) Guyana and Central America is Unified including all or most of Belize. (Is Bolivia a little bit larger at the expense of Paraguay?) (And I have no idea what is going on with the Islands in the Gulf of Mexico, (and not sure why the US EEZ would stop *at* the Islands.

In Europe, the borders in Central/Northeast Europe those between WWI and WWII except for Finland which has somehow gotten the entire Kola Peninsula (where Murmansk is) and thus is bigger than it ever was iOTL. Yugoslavia is still a thing and Ireland is still part of the UK. Also, Italy has Corsica! (No French EEZ)

In Africa, the Mali/Mauritania border is different, non-southern Sudan is Egyptian and there is some sort of East African Federation.

In Asia, Israel/Palestine has the Sinai, Arabia controls Yemen, Oman and the UAE (and anything else on the Peninsula) and Iraq has Kuwait. India has Bangladesh and French Indochina (?) is still a thing (Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos) Korea is Unified. Indonesia has been blown up and pieces are mostly with Malaysia other than the Portuguese have all of Timor and New Guinea is unified.
Almost yes xd!
1. In TTL Guyana was never invaded by the British, so the border is the one established by the Dutch and the Capitanía general de Venezuela in 1777. The British were repealed from the mainland in several occasions by a Dutch-Spanish-French alliance during the Coalition Wars (1792-1815).

2. The Federal Republic of Central America was established in 1824, consisting of present-day Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua, as well as Belize (which was considered part of Guatemala but under British rule) Belize was subsequently invaded in 1826 and incorporated into Guatemala.

3. The rest of South America is pretty much the same as in OTL, only change is in Isla Grande de Terra de Fuego, with belongs entirely to Chile . Argentina formally recognised Chilean sovereignty of the Tierra de Fuego island in 1881.

4. After the Winter War Finland annexed the southern regions of Karelia, and in 1941, during the Second Soviet-Finnish War, invaded east Karelia with German and Italian help. After WWII Finland was invaded by the USSR and the Finnish Socialist Worker's Republic was established (which included Finland, Karelia and the Kola penninsula). Red Finland became the Republic of Finland in 1991 after the reformation of the Soviet Union. The borders were established bu the "three-isthmuses"—the White Isthmus, the Olonets Isthmus, and the Karelian Isthmus.

5. Ye, Yugoslavia survived into the present, and the UK still is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

6. Corsica is actually French, you can see the EEZ if you zoom in! Only change in Italy is that the Istria peninsula is Italian.

7. West African borders correspond to those of French West Africa in 1935.

8. Sudan is part of the Kingdom of Egypt. Only South Sudan (known ITTL just as Sudan) became a separate nation in 1969.

9. The East African Federation is, in fact, the newest country on the world. It was established in the year 2014 with the union of Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda , Rwanda, Burundi and Zanzibar.

10. The British and French established the Protectorate of Arabia (the whole peninsula) as a counterweight to the Ottoman Empire before WWI. When the Ottoman Empire was dissolved and British and French forces retired from the middle east the Kingdom of Arabia was its successor.

11. Yes, Indochina became independent from the French as a single country.

(And I have no idea what is going on with the Islands in the Gulf of Mexico, (and not sure why the US EEZ would stop *at* the Islands.
which islands do you mean???
 
Given its proximity to Australia, is New Gelderland geographically considered part of Oceania? Or does the Indian Ocean have its own thing going on altogether in TTL?
 
Given its proximity to Australia, is New Gelderland geographically considered part of Oceania? Or does the Indian Ocean have its own thing going on altogether in TTL?
Yeah, New Gelderland is considered part of Oceania, more specifically of Australasia. TTL Seychelles and Mascarene Republic are considered Africa, and Kerguelen is kind of its own thing but usually considered part of Antarctica.
 
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Yes it did! But the turnout of events was a bit different. When the war ended and both parties signed the Treaty of Paris, Spain relinquished sovereignty over Cuba and the Philippines, which were invaded by the US almost instantly. Cuba and the Philippines attracted enormous American attention, but almost no discussion involved the other Spanish colonies of Puerto Rico or Guam, which remain Spanish until now.
Then it's likely the Spanish wouldn't have sold the Carolines, Palau, and the Marshall Islands to the Germans, so those islands may still be Spanish as well.
 
Then it's likely the Spanish wouldn't have sold the Carolines, Palau, and the Marshall Islands to the Germans, so those islands may still be Spanish as well.
Sadly the 1899 German-Spanish treaty still took place in TTL. Spain was broke, and after losing Manila and most of its fleet trying to control and defend all the islands was imposible. Palau, the Carolines and Marshall Islands were sold for 25 million Pesetas. The Northern Marianas and Guam still remain tho, and constitute the Spanish province of "Islas Marianas".
 
Almost yes xd!
1. In TTL Guyana was never invaded by the British, so the border is the one established by the Dutch and the Capitanía general de Venezuela in 1777. The British were repealed from the mainland in several occasions by a Dutch-Spanish-French alliance during the Coalition Wars (1792-1815).

2. The Federal Republic of Central America was established in 1824, consisting of present-day Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua, as well as Belize (which was considered part of Guatemala but under British rule) Belize was subsequently invaded in 1826 and incorporated into Guatemala.

3. The rest of South America is pretty much the same as in OTL, only change is in Isla Grande de Terra de Fuego, with belongs entirely to Chile . Argentina formally recognised Chilean sovereignty of the Tierra de Fuego island in 1881.

4. After the Winter War Finland annexed the southern regions of Karelia, and in 1941, during the Second Soviet-Finnish War, invaded east Karelia with German and Italian help. After WWII Finland was invaded by the USSR and the Finnish Socialist Worker's Republic was established (which included Finland, Karelia and the Kola penninsula). Red Finland became the Republic of Finland in 1991 after the reformation of the Soviet Union. The borders were established bu the "three-isthmuses"—the White Isthmus, the Olonets Isthmus, and the Karelian Isthmus.

5. Ye, Yugoslavia survived into the present, and the UK still is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

6. Corsica is actually French, you can see the EEZ if you zoom in! Only change in Italy is that the Istria peninsula is Italian.

7. West African borders correspond to those of French West Africa in 1935.

8. Sudan is part of the Kingdom of Egypt. Only South Sudan (known ITTL just as Sudan) became a separate nation in 1969.

9. The East African Federation is, in fact, the newest country on the world. It was established in the year 2014 with the union of Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda , Rwanda, Burundi and Zanzibar.

10. The British and French established the Protectorate of Arabia (the whole peninsula) as a counterweight to the Ottoman Empire before WWI. When the Ottoman Empire was dissolved and British and French forces retired from the middle east the Kingdom of Arabia was its successor.

11. Yes, Indochina became independent from the French as a single country.


which islands do you mean???
There are two triangles in the Gulf of Mexico, unclear whether those are areas outside anyone's EEZ or whether they are islands.
 
There are two triangles in the Gulf of Mexico, unclear whether those are areas outside anyone's EEZ or whether they are islands.
Ah lol, those are the western and eastern gaps in the Gulf of Mexico. They are areas further away than the 200 nautical miles that establish the EEZ of a country, they also exist IOTL and are considered international waters.
 
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Ah lol, those are the western and eastern gaps in the Gulf of Mexico. They are areas further away than the 200 nautical miles that establish the EEZ of a country, they also exist IOTL and are considered international waters.
Ah. The places where the Soviets iOTL could have put ships and gone "nya-nya".
 
What happened to keep Indonesia from coming into existence/merging with Malaysia?
This is a bit complex but I will try to explain it the best I can. (I imagined this conflict to be this timeline's "Vietnam War")

After World War II and the Japanese occupation of the Malay Archipelago, the Dutch East Indies gained independence, forming the nation of Indonesia. This newly independent Indonesia opposed the creation of Malaysia in the 1960's, viewing it as a colonial puppet state designed to limit Indonesian expansion. Tensions escalated, leading to the Borneo War from 1963 to 1966. Indonesia, backed by the Soviet Union and China, invaded Malaysia, triggering a conflict that became a proxy war between superpowers. Communist insurgencies within Malaysia complicated the situation, making it challenging for the British to control the unrest.

In response to the escalating conflict, the UK, with support from the USA, Australia, and the Netherlands, decided to take action and in late 1964, a joint military intervention was launched as British, Dutch, American, and Australian forces invaded the island of Java and many of the lesser Sunda Islands. Local militias, aligned with the anti-communist coalition, played a crucial role in these operations too.

The invasion of Java marked a significant turning point in the conflict. The British-Dutch-American coalition sought to slow the spread of communism and established anti-communist governments in the region. Fierce battles followed however, with the invading forces facing resistance from Indonesian and communist forces. Over time, the anti-communist coalition managed to gain control of key strategic areas like Jakarta, gradually pushing back Indonesian communist forces.

By 1966, with both sides facing significant casualties, negotiations were initiated. The UK, realizing the challenges of sustaining the war and facing growing anti-war sentiments at home, came to the negotiation table with a more conciliatory stance. The negotiations resulted in the UK's acceptance of the annexation of Malaysia by Indonesia, recognizing it as a sovereign state. Additionally, the formation of the Socialist Republic of Indonesia was established, reflecting the prevailing political ideology. Simultaneously, the Republic of Java was established with the support of British-Dutch-American forces, creating a geopolitical balance in the region.

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With so big Russian diaspora - is in East Prussia something like OTL Russian Party of Serbia or Latvian Russian Union? Or TTL Prussian Russophiles vote for Progress Party?
There is Russian party actually, but it did not pass the 5% threshold to get representation in parliament. Most of ethnic slavs in East Prussia voted either for the Freedom Party or the Progress Party in the election. (The FPOP has a big russophile faction)
 
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