Sir John Valentine Carden Survives. Part 2.

Quite a few officers found themselves demoted and shipped off ‘somewhere where they couldn’t lose the war for us’.
Fortunately, the British Empire had a few out of the way places to park said officers where they couldn't do much damage. Mainly because the places in question were run by the RN and/or RAF. Places that are remote & difficult to get to. Places like the Falkland Islands, Saint Helena, Tristan da Cunha and Ascension Island.
Yeo’s Battalion had left Egypt with the reputation of being worse thieves than the New Zealanders
Freiberg and his 40,000 thieves. Infamous for "requisitioning" anything that wasn't nailed down and claw hammers & crowbars sorted those that were.
When it comes to how China looks at the Western Powers at this time, UK/France bad and US good. The US practices economic colonialism which had them looking at not large swaths of territory, but places like trading posts, missions, schools and such. The US, even with it anti immigrant stance, still brought Chinese over to study at US schools and then to go back to spread the word of Capitalism, Christianity, and Progress to China.
Believe it or not, that is exactly how the British Empire started, and remained as in China.
And possibly the question of Kashmir being resolved prior to independence, and not left hanging in the air, as it was IOTL
The question of Kashmir, and of Hyderabad, was resolved prior to independence, sort of. as both governments wished to remain independent. Sadly, tensions between the pro-Indian & pro-Pakistani nationalists within Kashmir & Jammu, as well as the nationalist ambitions of both India and Pakistan, led to the 1st Indo-Pakistan War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1947–1948

Hyderabad suffered a similar fate, resulting in the 1948 invasion and annexation of the Princely State by India.

Hopefully, a more stable transition of the Raj to independence and Dominion status, can prevent OTL's bloodshed.
 
TBH going over the general China situation its really not looking good the Burma road and an easier air bridge staying open will be a god send for the KMT since what makes its way to the units there will be a shot in the arm. When I say what makes it to them it will probably be a trickle given how much theft, favouritism and corruption happens inside the KMT it will massively pair down what arrives were and you will need British and American officers and NCOs of strong character watching it every step of the way to avoid that fate. Because lets face it Chiang and his wife are tools as are a majority of the Warlords who will focus on making money over keeping their troops fighting with a better situation though the allies can afford to hold a club with the carrot cake here and remind him where and who this kit should end up with.

Failing that and assuming wiggle room replace him and his inner circle if possible, Sun Li-jen is in Burma and he is probably one of the better KMT officers and the man got the respect of Slim and Vinegar Joe OTL its highly tempting to wanna build up a support base for him and knock Chiang out of his spot. Though this is only a thought by me there are probably people who are better placed to take over and almost as good but Chiang and the various cronies do more harm than good.

The we have that Rancid Bastard Mao, if there was ever a more useless force in the Second World War and Second Sino Japanese War it was Mao and his forces they sat on there hands the majority of the time and contributed little heck Mao and hist forces didn’t do much till the 100 regiments offensive and after that did nothing major, heck they effectively were a collaborator force just by sitting on their hands and having a nodding agreement with the Japanese Imperial and Collaborator Forces in their Area of Operation and were building up their manpower and resources for the resumption of the Civil War. With the better situation for DUKE Forces ITTL I expect this to be bloody noticed and for it to be commented on by both DUKE Officers and American Officers heck de Wiart said something that sums him up nicely, by saying 'I cannot believe he means business'.

TBH given the Brits control the main supply route I’d rather the supplies go to the fighting yet corrupted KMT than the shiftless fanatics thats Maos forces at least we know some of the gear sent to the KMT will be pointed at the Japanese rather than horded.
 
If in 1944, the British recapture Hong Kong, and thus open up via the Pearl River direct communications to the outside world, and a greater ability to transport goods inside China. He might stand a chance of subduing the Communists under Mao or extending the civil war until either the Americans or Soviets directly intervene.
If that does happen could we have a divided China on our hands if it becomes a proxy slugfest between the USA and USSR? Hong kong could become one of the more important cities.
 

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And as John Masters mentions in his autobiography, even in 1942 that "one eye" consisted of over twenty battalions of experienced regulars, who could otherwise have been very useful elsewhere.
An fantastic series of books, which showed how much the old school standards still applied in the Indian Army even during the war. If memory serves me right, he came very close to being subjected to a court martial and being dismissed from the service for having an affair with a fellow officers wife. He was by all accounts a brilliant leader of men, who had he been dismissed would have been a serious loss to the Army, and I do wonder how he will fair ITTL.

RR.
 

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If that does happen could we have a divided China on our hands if it becomes a proxy slugfest between the USA and USSR? Hong kong could become one of the more important cities.


The ramifications of a post war divided China, similar to the post war divide Germany, plus the complications of a Soviet occupation of Manchuria, and who gets to control Korea, would be a very interesting TL of its own. Remember if the Americans were to gain control over the whole of Korea, the majority of its extensive mineral wealth lies in what is now North Korea. A united Korea with a combination of its hard working people and the available mineral resources, would in time become a serious rival to Japan. And with an ongoing conflict in China, along with American participation, and the desire by the Americans to concentrate on domestic industrial production. Might see a situation arise where the American government decides to support industrial development in Korea, as it did in Japan during the Korean War OOTL, to free American industries to build the American dream at home. Which raises the question of what happens in Japan, as without the tremendous injection of investment that occurred during the Korean War, its economy which had serious problems, will be even worse. As for Hong Kong, the big question is do the Chinese government allow the re establishment of the International, British and French Concessions in Shanghai, as it was the mass exodus of Chinese businessmen from Shanghai to Hong Kong, that kicked started its massive economic growth.

RR.
 
We'll have to wait and see what happens. Still, things aren't looking good for the Japanese, they're losing in Malaya, of the whole DEI, they've only managed to take Borneo and parts of Sulawesi, and aren't getting anything much out of either, the British are attacking Thailand itself from Burma, and they have yet to fully secure the Philippines, In addition, British and Dutch submarines are taking their toll on Japanese shipping, and the Americans are going their torpedoes fixed, so ought to be in the fray a lot sooner than OTL too. Depending on how soon they can secure FIC (the Japanese presence there is light), the Allies might be able to start demolishing the Japanese enclaves in China (Hainan and Zhanjiang, Hong Kong, Zhangzhou, and Fuzhou are the main ones I can make out).
 
As for Hong Kong, the big question is do the Chinese government allow the re establishment of the International, British and French Concessions in Shanghai, as it was the mass exodus of Chinese businessmen from Shanghai to Hong Kong, that kicked started its massive economic growth.
The KMT was, if anything, even more anti-imperialist than the CCP. They need all the legitimacy they can get in a fight with the CCP, and a fair bit of that comes from the perception of reversing the unequal treaties. Hong Kong they may not be able to do anything about (for the time being at least. There was a real possibility of the KMT trying their luck IOTL before the lease ran out) but other concessions are probably easier to peel away. The Chinese holding them, the Europeans having other issues and American pressure likely means most other concessions are not returned.
 
I was going to question whether the British might be able to convince the Americans to back down on their 'Unconditional surrender all costs' stance, then realised, by the time that point is reached, Japan will almost certainly be broken anyway, due to having burned through its fuel. and probably won't have many ships left anyway. Makes me wonder how reliant the Kwantung Army is on support from mainland Japan, and how badly it will suffer without it.
 
Problem is Chiang is going to be wrangling his warlords and associates for a while as well as trying to keep a knife from his back in his own faction. The KMT is far from a unified force in a lot of places.
 
8 March 1942. Bovington. England.
8 March 1942. Bovington. England.

Twenty new instructors were part of the team that had the newest class of Royal Armoured Corps under instruction. The twenty men had all started the war in Egypt with 1st and 6th Bn RTR, they’d been chosen for home leave and the instructor course. Every unit that had been involved in the fighting in North Africa had picked out men who showed they could identify what had worked and what hadn’t. A preference for older men, men with families was another part of the equation, for who would go home to become teachers, and a good number of NCOs who’d be trained as officers.

The lucky men chosen had sailed away from Egypt shortly after the capture of Tripoli, had a couple of weeks home leave, then taught how to be teachers. A hospital ship had carried home a good number of men with serious wounds, but more were men well on the road to recovery, who in due course could be integrated into new units to season them with experience.

Captain Peter Smith DSO had managed to bring home the whole crew of Adsum, his Valiant I from A Squadron, 1st Bn RTR. Sergeant John Twist MM was now a gunnery instructor, Corporal Bill Jones a driving instructor, and Corporal Jim Wilson was loader/mechanic instructor. Along with the others from the two RTR Battalions, the recruits would get, not only the technical know-how of their jobs in tanks, but the wisdom born of combat, how to fight a tank battle and win.

Smith and the rest of them, as ordered, had spent a lot of time on the long voyage home writing up their experiences, from their training to every exercise and battle they’d taken part in. The orders had been quite clear, everything was to go in, positive and negative. Every gripe, moan and complaint were just as important as every success. There were plenty of both the former as well as the latter. The experience in the desert was different from that of the fighting in France and Belgium, different again from Greece and East Africa. The Royal Tank Regiment (though the old timers still thought of it as the Corps) needed to imbue the new hostilities-only recruits with their esprit-de-corps. They also needed to pass on the real-life lessons of using a tank in battle. The way things had been done at Cambrai and in the Hundred Days were part of that institutional knowledge, but this war so far, had provided many other lessons that needed to be thoroughly understood.

Smith had enjoyed his leave, and being much closer to home, he could look forward to seeing more of his parents. There was also a young lady that he’d visited in London who’d been keeping up correspondence while Smith was overseas. As he looked around, he couldn’t help thank his lucky stars, and his father’s prayers, for giving him the chance to live his life, and perhaps train these young lads fight, and survive.

Having a crew that had worked together was part of the training process was designed to show how the necessary interaction and communication within the tank was crucial to the success of the tank. Smith and his crew had collaborated with the Officer Commanding crew training to build a cut away section of a Valiant I tank. The new trainees would watch the Adsum crew go through their action during Operation Crusader when they fired off every one of the ninety-five 2-pdr shells carried in the tank. The destruction of 75 Italian tanks in a single engagement at Bir Dufan for the total loss of only a few British tanks was one of the great tank battles of the war so far.

Most of the trainees would man Valiant II or Victor tanks, the unlucky ones on Crusaders. The Crusader still carried the 2-pdr, which Twist explained needed to fire three shots into a target to make sure it was disabled. The Valiant II and the Victor I would be armed with the 6-pdr, which looked like it would probably one a one shot, one kill kind of weapon. The fact that the 6-pdr also had a High Explosive shell would help, it wasn’t terribly powerful, but at least it gave the gunner something to use on soft-skinned targets or enemy anti-tank emplacements other than the co-axial Besa.

Reliving that day in November was something the whole crew had done time and again. They had discussed it, written about it, been interviewed on at least four occasions. Trying to piece the whole engagement together was impossible, so much had happened so fast, that all they could do was try to replay their method: Identify the target, halt, aim, fire, load, repeat, repeat; move, identify, halt, aim, fire, load, repeat, repeat. Once the trainees had been taken through the process, then each of the crew helped them digest what each crew members role was, and how it was to be done, coordinated, like a dance. A good crew, like Smiths, got into a rhythm akin to a dance. Working in harmony with one another, anticipating the next move, having the muscle memory to act without having to think. Speed and quick thinking were what they tried to communicate. Of course, the trainees wanted to know more, what it felt like, what went through their minds.

Preparing for battle was a complex process and there would be parts of their training where the psychological questions would have to be explored. For Smith and his crew, all they could do was pass on their own example, an effective team, working together, with the right equipment was the best way of winning battles, and more importantly, surviving the war.
 
Problem is Chiang is going to be wrangling his warlords and associates for a while as well as trying to keep a knife from his back in his own faction. The KMT is far from a unified force in a lot of places.
Sure. But to a certain extent he is more likely to take that knife the more he looks like he is not adequately pursuing the reclamation of Chinese territory under imperialist control. This was a pretty central issue for the KMT.

Japan and the CCP is obviously the biggest threat for the KMT. And they could put up with HK going back to Britain. IOTL both sides of the conflict were more focused on fighting each other than trying to grab HK. But it was understood that if the KMT were to beat the CCP they would be bringing pressure against Britain over Hong Kong. If they felt confident it was even possible that they would at least consider force. It was assumed at the time that the CCP would be even more insistent. But, as it turns out they eventually decided to simply wait out the lease.
 
If the KMT looks like they will be doing better and reclaiming territory from the Japanese and looking more successful Mao will probably lead his cult to try and do something more audacious and risky than the 100 regiments offensive.

Which will probably lead to a more brutal Japanese response to them. Makes me think TBH the Japanese may drop some of their bug bombs on them.
 
Most of the trainees would man Valiant II or Victor tanks, the unlucky ones on Crusaders. The Crusader still carried the 2-pdr, which Twist explained needed to fire three shots into a target to make sure it was disabled. The Valiant II and the Victor I would be armed with the 6-pdr, which looked like it would probably one a one shot, one kill kind of weapon. The fact that the 6-pdr also had a High Explosive shell would help, it wasn’t terribly powerful, but at least it gave the gunner something to use on soft-skinned targets or enemy anti-tank emplacements other than the co-axial Besa.
I think you mean, "probably be a one shot, one kill".

A great chapter nevertheless. I wonder if the Americans might be interesting in that training.
 
No-one in the American camp actually thought that!
Yep first job of the Lee and Sherman was to kill other tanks

The Tank Destroyer 'branch' was simply how to concentrate enough rapidly mobile anti tank firepower to deal with Blitzkrieg - something I think it was only called on to do once its vehicles and guns generally used as support weapons - but it was created due to observations from North Africa and the earlier French campaign.
 
Yep first job of the Lee and Sherman was to kill other tanks

The Tank Destroyer 'branch' was simply how to concentrate enough rapidly mobile anti tank firepower to deal with Blitzkrieg - something I think it was only called on to do once its vehicles and guns generally used as support weapons - but it was created due to observations from North Africa and the earlier French campaign.

And in many ways that doctrine still exists in the form of the AH-64 Apache units, which are essentially tank destroyer units.
 
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