Could an expansion-minded post-Civil War United States have been able to challenge the hegemony of the British Empire by 1900?

There were about 63 million Americans in 1890, so even 1% of them being full-time soldiers gives 630,000 soldiers.
In 1881, there were about 305,512,568 subjects of the British Empire, so even 1% of them being full-time soldiers gives ~3,5,000,000.

I think this neatly illustrates why the US is not going to win this war. The Empire can match the full power of the US military with just a fraction of its own ressources, and escalate the conflict until the American war effort collapses.
In any case it would probably end not long after Canada was captured unless the US was seriously pissed and desired to expel the British entirely from the Western hemisphere. That's probably doable since again, a large navy probably with a lot of cruisers for commerce raiding plus European allies with similar strategies would deprive Britain of resources and ships to defend the Caribbean.
No, that's pretty much impossible because of the Concert of Europe. A minor power like the US trying to usurp GB in the Western hemisphere would be met with extreme hostility by both France and Spain, as well as Brazil (which is still a relevant regional power in this period).

The Americans would get curbstombed by the Great Powers if they actually tried that, which is why they didn't.
 
That I rather doubt. The US would have control of the majority of a large continent. Blockading that would be a huge task even for the royal navy, and even if the blockade did choke off maritime commerce, the US wouldn't be lacking in natural resources or agricultural or industrial capacity, and there would be plenty of overland trade.

Sure, it wouldn't be good for American economy, but the economy wouldn't collapse, unless there were other major contributing factors.
The problem for the USA wouldn't be being cut off from resources, it would be being cut off from their export market. Having the resources to produce things means nothing when 90% of the places you used to sell those things to become inaccessible. Overland trade wouldn't work either, there's only so many customs barriers those goods would be able to cross before the cumulative tariffs imposed on them would make them prohibitive compared to imports from overseas. Not to mention the logistical issues, railways in Central America were few and far between and the road network was not it. And beyond Panama it becomes physically impossible anyways.​
 
The problem for the USA wouldn't be being cut off from resources, it would be being cut off from their export market. Having the resources to produce things means nothing when 90% of the places you used to sell those things to become inaccessible. Overland trade wouldn't work either, there's only so many customs barriers those goods would be able to cross before the cumulative tariffs imposed on them would make them prohibitive compared to imports from overseas. Not to mention the logistical issues, railways in Central America were few and far between and the road network was not it. And beyond Panama it becomes physically impossible anyways.​
They would, though. Before the industrialisation of the Haber-Bosch process, everyone was dependent on nitrates from South America for gunpowder and explosives production. Something which would be easy to cut off from the US for Britain. And when the original stocks of ammunition runs out, there won't be much more forthcoming for the US in a war against Britain. And we saw from ww1 that all powers ran through their initial supply in a few months, resulting in the shell shortage of late 1914, early 1915, when the French and British took to desperate measures like looting the Indian army supplies and banning alcohol sales in pubs and cafés before 11 o'clock, because of course it was the fault of lazy alcohol-drinking ammunition plant workers sitting and having beer or wine instead of working. The Russians, in the meantime, limited their artillery to two shots per gun and day unless trying to fight a breakthrough (which certainly aided the Gorlice-Tarnow offensive). The Germans and Austrians had similar problems, until the Germans managed to get their synthetic nitrates factories churning out enough early 1915.
 
In 1881, there were about 305,512,568 subjects of the British Empire, so even 1% of them being full-time soldiers gives ~3,5,000,000.

I think this neatly illustrates why the US is not going to win this war. The Empire can match the full power of the US military with just a fraction of its own ressources, and escalate the conflict until the American war effort collapses.

No, that's pretty much impossible because of the Concert of Europe. A minor power like the US trying to usurp GB in the Western hemisphere would be met with extreme hostility by both France and Spain, as well as Brazil (which is still a relevant regional power in this period).

The Americans would get curbstombed by the Great Powers if they actually tried that, which is why they didn't.

Yeah. The Monroe doctrine? It was not the US that enforced that, it was Britain that told everyone to sit down and not mess with their very valuable trade with the US. With the US challenging British hegemony, Britain will give every European power that has the will to mess with Latin America the go ahead. Expect a dozen or more Mexico style situations for the US to get embroiled in as they try to force their hegemony over the western himsphere.
 
In 1881, there were about 305,512,568 subjects of the British Empire, so even 1% of them being full-time soldiers gives ~3,5,000,000.

I think this neatly illustrates why the US is not going to win this war. The Empire can match the full power of the US military with just a fraction of its own ressources, and escalate the conflict until the American war effort collapses.
Yes, the bulk of them Indians, subject to pseudoscience like the martial races theory which more or less forbade entire castes and ethnic groups from taking up arms because it was believed their lifestyle was "unfit" for service as a soldier. It was so deeply embedded in the British Indian Army that the concept was transferred to Pakistan and India upon their independence and contributed to why Bangladesh revolted. And yes, it was a problem during both World Wars. I believe there were similar concepts among Africans, since it was wrapped up in the concept of "divide and rule" and European attitudes toward African ethnic groups differed depending on a variety of factors (i.e. smaller groups in the jungle were thought of as primitive compared to, say, the Hausa).

You also have to consider that all of this adds further hassle to logistics. Britain does not have the industry to equip and transport that many soldiers, hence why World War I was not the vast colonial armies of France and Britain overwhelming Germany. That's not how the war happened, nor did Indian or African soldiers make an overwhelming contribution to why Germany lost.
No, that's pretty much impossible because of the Concert of Europe. A minor power like the US trying to usurp GB in the Western hemisphere would be met with extreme hostility by both France and Spain, as well as Brazil (which is still a relevant regional power in this period).

The Americans would get curbstombed by the Great Powers if they actually tried that, which is why they didn't.
The United States is not Meiji Japan, subject to Yellow Peril views, nor would taking a few Caribbean islands be anything like Japan taking territory and concessions desired by Russia and interfering with the European China trade. And for most of the late 19th century there's plenty of reasons why no one would do anything as drastic as intervene. Why should they over a few islands, unless it's clear the US really, really wants to take them? France and Britain were engaged in carving up Africa at the time and periodically hostile toward each other and France could view US support as important for a potential war against Germany. If Britain is battered enough that invading their island colonies is on the table, does France really want to risk a war, especially when the defeat to Germany is still very recent in memory, they likely have already gained by Britain's vast distraction, and their ally Russia (if the 1890s) enjoys watching their arch-rival lose?

Spain lost to the OTL far weaker US, and Brazil had no interests north of South America, so neither would be really relevant to this. If anything, Brazil would support this since they could coerce Venezuela into adjusting their mutual border in exchange for letting them have Guyana.
They would, though. Before the industrialisation of the Haber-Bosch process, everyone was dependent on nitrates from South America for gunpowder and explosives production. Something which would be easy to cut off from the US for Britain. And when the original stocks of ammunition runs out, there won't be much more forthcoming for the US in a war against Britain. And we saw from ww1 that all powers ran through their initial supply in a few months, resulting in the shell shortage of late 1914, early 1915, when the French and British took to desperate measures like looting the Indian army supplies and banning alcohol sales in pubs and cafés before 11 o'clock, because of course it was the fault of lazy alcohol-drinking ammunition plant workers sitting and having beer or wine instead of working. The Russians, in the meantime, limited their artillery to two shots per gun and day unless trying to fight a breakthrough (which certainly aided the Gorlice-Tarnow offensive). The Germans and Austrians had similar problems, until the Germans managed to get their synthetic nitrates factories churning out enough early 1915.
This is an interesting objection that makes sense since that limits sources of nitrates to domestic production (from caves and whatever can be reclaimed from bone meal, urine, etc.) and the very limited amount that smuggling brings in. The saltpeter industry (which is a slightly different chemical than exported from Chile) was very developed in parts of the US like Kentucky and Tennessee, so they could reactivate/expand those facilities, but I don't think that would be enough for industrial war on its own.
Yeah. The Monroe doctrine? It was not the US that enforced that, it was Britain that told everyone to sit down and not mess with their very valuable trade with the US. With the US challenging British hegemony, Britain will give every European power that has the will to mess with Latin America the go ahead. Expect a dozen or more Mexico style situations for the US to get embroiled in as they try to force their hegemony over the western himsphere.
Given Mexico didn't end so well for the French, I think the average European nation besides maybe Germany would be inclined to sit this one out. But it would make Latin America a lot bloodier of a place since there'd be a lot more active European interference in politics.

My guess is the predecessors of the OAS would be far more important TTL in keeping things peaceful, but you'd have a Cold War-style division between pro-US and pro-Europe countries.
 
The United States is not Meiji Japan, subject to Yellow Peril views, nor would taking a few Caribbean islands be anything like Japan taking territory and concessions desired by Russia and interfering with the European China trade. And for most of the late 19th century there's plenty of reasons why no one would do anything as drastic as intervene. Why should they over a few islands, unless it's clear the US really, really wants to take them? France and Britain were engaged in carving up Africa at the time and periodically hostile toward each other and France could view US support as important for a potential war against Germany. If Britain is battered enough that invading their island colonies is on the table, does France really want to risk a war, especially when the defeat to Germany is still very recent in memory, they likely have already gained by Britain's vast distraction, and their ally Russia (if the 1890s) enjoys watching their arch-rival lose?

Spain lost to the OTL far weaker US, and Brazil had no interests north of South America, so neither would be really relevant to this. If anything, Brazil would support this since they could coerce Venezuela into adjusting their mutual border in exchange for letting them have Guyana.

You don't realise how international diplomacy and great power relations worked back then. It was less diplomacy and more two mafioso bosses staring at each other and seeing who'll blink firsy, and the results were completely and utterly bonkers.

The US and Britain nearly went to war over a shot pig. The British sent 13 000 soldiers, 26 000 carriers and animal handlers, 40 000 draught anials, inlcuding 44 elephants to trek all over Ethiopia to liberate about a dozen hostages, only half of which were British subjects that Enperor Thewodros had taken 1868.

Every country could see what happened to countries that ignored challenges to their territory, prestige and power. The Ottomans and Qing were being picked apart. Tibal Confederacies and Khanates were goaded into splendid little wars and annexed, And the fate of Poland-Lithuania was still fresh in the mind of Europe's rulers. Anyone who looked weak would have to face ten times worse as the vultures started circling. And they KNEW that.

Thus every attempt to take territory will be met with a balls-to-the-walls insane reply with everything that country got. Look how the Spaniards, despite being outmatched from the start, not even in control of Cuba and having not a single chance still sailed their entire navy across the Atlantic to have it murdered by the US at the Battle of Santiago Bay.

So, "why should they over a few islands" is to completely misunderstand how diplomacy and international relations worked in the era.

France had since 1848 clearly realised that they were secondary to the British and did everything in their power to maintain very good relations with them, as is clearly shown in how they handled dividing up their respective colonial interest zones and resolving any incident that occured. Britain is a far greater geopoltical ally than the US up to at least 1920 in this scenario (since the US will be nefed as a geopolitical power by spending so much on its military and lacking the fabourable British market and British investments and Britih loans).

Britain was never "distracted" in this era. They easily managed to do things like garrison and build up before the Pig War was resolved, fight the Sepoy uprising, the Opium Wars, the Crimean War, keeping tabs on the US Civil War (and reinforcing Canada), fight the first Boer War, colonise and fight various tribal confederacies that resisten, inlcuding the Maori, fight the first and second Afghan War and so on and so on. They had the resources to fight several smaller and one major war at any given time.
 
They would, though. Before the industrialisation of the Haber-Bosch process, everyone was dependent on nitrates from South America for gunpowder and explosives production. Something which would be easy to cut off from the US for Britain. And when the original stocks of ammunition runs out, there won't be much more forthcoming for the US in a war against Britain
Nitrates were one of the things the US was getting from overseas, yes, but that wasn't the point. The comment I was replying to was talking about the economy in general, stuff like iron, coal, wheat, etc. and the danger of the economy collapsing. Not just specific resources needed for the military. Besides, there is no reason why American industrialists wouldn't have been capable of scaling up the Haber process once they actually need it.​
 
Nitrates were one of the things the US was getting from overseas, yes, but that wasn't the point. The comment I was replying to was talking about the economy in general, stuff like iron, coal, wheat, etc. and the danger of the economy collapsing. Not just specific resources needed for the military. Besides, there is no reason why American industrialists wouldn't have been capable of scaling up the Haber process once they actually need it.​

The first time the Haber-Bosch process was scaled up was 1915, by the Germans, in a life-or-death scenario in ww1. Would a US that has spent a LOT of their money on the military and foregone favourable trade relations with Britain and denying themselves British investments really be in a position to do that? I don't have detailed information about the US chemical industry around the turn of the century, but I doubt it. It was Haber and Bosch, two Germans, that invented the process in 1909 after all, and OTL the method did not spread to the US until the early 1920s.
 
he first time the Haber-Bosch process was scaled up was 1915, b
Except it wasn't, BASF began industrial production for the first time in 1913 at a plant in Oppau. When South American imports were cut off and wartime demands sharply increased Germany had a shortage because obviously that plant couldn't single-handedly provide for all the old demand + all the new demand from the military. But the production existed.​

Would a US that has spent a LOT of their money on the military and foregone favourable trade relations with Britain and denying themselves British investments really be in a position to do that?
1. The USA and UK wouldn't become sworn enemies overnight
2. Until a war actually breaks out corporations would still be investing in the USA
3. If the USA wasn't on cordial terms with the UK and thought a war was possible they would be investing in these things well before a war actually broke out.

It was Haber and Bosch, two Germans, that invented the process in 1909 after all, and OTL the method did not spread to the US until the early 1920s.
Just because two Germans got there first doesn't mean that everybody else was completely in the dark.
The USA had plenty of companies that were involved in research and production of nitrogen, like Cyanamid, Nitrogen Products, and General Chemical. Cyanamid already had a plant just across the border at Niagara Falls iotl. The US government only became interested in a synthetic plant in 1916, and by 1917 they were building one in Alabama with the help of GC. And in 1918 another was being built in Virginia with Cyanamid's aid. If the USA had joined the war sooner they would have developed those plants much earlier.
The only reason why countries other than Germany and its allies didn't invest as much into this is simply because they didn't need to, they all still had access to South American resources. Anything synthetic was just a supplement for them.

This is completely derailing what I was talking about and I'm not gonna entertain it any further lol.​
 
Except it wasn't, BASF began industrial production for the first time in 1913 at a plant in Oppau. When South American imports were cut off and wartime demands sharply increased Germany had a shortage because obviously that plant couldn't single-handedly provide for all the old demand + all the new demand from the military. But the production existed.​


1. The USA and UK wouldn't become sworn enemies overnight
2. Until a war actually breaks out corporations would still be investing in the USA
3. If the USA wasn't on cordial terms with the UK and thought a war was possible they would be investing in these things well before a war actually broke out.


Just because two Germans got there first doesn't mean that everybody else was completely in the dark.
The USA had plenty of companies that were involved in research and production of nitrogen, like Cyanamid, Nitrogen Products, and General Chemical. Cyanamid already had a plant just across the border at Niagara Falls iotl. The US government only became interested in a synthetic plant in 1916, and by 1917 they were building one in Alabama with the help of GC. And in 1918 another was being built in Virginia with Cyanamid's aid. If the USA had joined the war sooner they would have developed those plants much earlier.
The only reason why countries other than Germany and its allies didn't invest as much into this is simply because they didn't need to, they all still had access to South American resources. Anything synthetic was just a supplement for them.

This is completely derailing what I was talking about and I'm not gonna entertain it any further lol.​

The British did not invest in geopolitical rivals. Not in Russia before the Triple Entente (and hardly even after that, the French handled most of that), not in Italy before it left th e Central Powers and so on. British banks were pretty good at following the lead of the government. Building up to become a rival to Britain would have to be motivated internally, and the only version I see working is some kind of jimgoism against Britain, which will lead to incidents, diplomatic, civilian and militarily. Regardless whether these incidents are handled well or not, the US buildup will nto happen in a dark vacuum. Britain will notice and respond, and you'll have a western hemisphere arms race, and in that environment, British banks will not be ledning money in the US, and British investors, fearing having their property seized in a potential war or trade incident, will not invest.
 
The British did not invest in geopolitical rivals. Not in Russia before the Triple Entente (and hardly even after that, the French handled most of that), not in Italy before it left th e Central Powers and so on. British banks were pretty good at following the lead of the government. Building up to become a rival to Britain would have to be motivated internally, and the only version I see working is some kind of jimgoism against Britain, which will lead to incidents, diplomatic, civilian and militarily. Regardless whether these incidents are handled well or not, the US buildup will nto happen in a dark vacuum. Britain will notice and respond, and you'll have a western hemisphere arms race, and in that environment, British banks will not be ledning money in the US, and British investors, fearing having their property seized in a potential war or trade incident, will not invest.
Literally what do you think any of all that has to do with the risk of the US economy collapsing under a British blockade? Which is what I was originally talking about. Stay on the point or stop replying to me altogether, pick one.
 
Literally what do you think any of all that has to do with the risk of the US economy collapsing under a British blockade? Which is what I was originally talking about. Stay on the point or stop replying to me altogether, pick one.
Considering your pleasant tone, I'll opt for alternative two.
 
The problem for the USA wouldn't be being cut off from resources, it would be being cut off from their export market. Having the resources to produce things means nothing when 90% of the places you used to sell those things to become inaccessible. Overland trade wouldn't work either, there's only so many customs barriers those goods would be able to cross before the cumulative tariffs imposed on them would make them prohibitive compared to imports from overseas. Not to mention the logistical issues, railways in Central America were few and far between and the road network was not it. And beyond Panama it becomes physically impossible anyways.​
I didn't mean overland trade to Europe. I meant within the country. Blockading the better part of a continent is different from blockading Germany.
 
I didn't mean overland trade to Europe.
I didn't say overland trade to Europe either... I though you were referring to Central America.
I meant within the country.
But that's just the domestic market, the point of a naval blockade is to cut off of the economy from its overseas markets.

Sure, American farmers, factories, etc. are still going to be selling to the 75 million people in the USA. Just like how German ones still had access to the 100 million people in continental Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. But that's simply not what a blockade is trying to stop, the goal is to stop them from doing that with the 1.6 billion people who don't live in the blockaded countries. Domestic markets can't make up for the loss of foreign markets.​
 
I didn't say overland trade to Europe either... I though you were referring to Central America.

But that's just the domestic market, the point of a naval blockade is to cut off of the economy from its overseas markets.

Sure, American farmers, factories, etc. are still going to be selling to the 75 million people in the USA. Just like how German ones still had access to the 100 million people in continental Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. But that's simply not what a blockade is trying to stop, the goal is to stop them from doing that with the 1.6 billion people who don't live in the blockaded countries.​
The German blockade had its most pronounced effect by cutting off German imports, especially food. Food would not be an issue for the United States.
Domestic markets can't make up for the loss of foreign markets.
I never said they would. That would arguing that a blockade would have no impact. Assuming Britain can choke off maritime trade, which would require blockading both coasts and take an enormous number of ships, then yes, the American economy would suffer, but it would not collapse unless there were other major factors at play.
In 1881, there were about 305,512,568 subjects of the British Empire, so even 1% of them being full-time soldiers gives ~3,5,000,000.

I think this neatly illustrates why the US is not going to win this war. The Empire can match the full power of the US military with just a fraction of its own ressources, and escalate the conflict until the American war effort collapses.
This completely ignores the logistical issues of projecting power into the western hemisphere and the question of how loyal many of those subjects are. British forces were not 19th century Mongols with a navy. They built there empire by backing one side or another in various power struggles. They could wipe the floor with the USA in the eastern hemisphere, but not in the Americas. If there was a war, they'd almost certainly lose mainland Canada, with the possible exception of Nova Scotia. They could probably keep the West Indies and Newfoundland though, especially if the US for some reason chose not to build up its navy despite rising tensions with Britain.

Britain could take Guam, the Philippines, American Samoa, and probably Hawaii. They could try to use those as bargaining chips, and I think some sort of negotiated peace would be most likely. Keep in mind though, that Americans of that era would probably value the conquest of Canada more than Pacific island territories.
No, that's pretty much impossible because of the Concert of Europe. A minor power like the US trying to usurp GB in the Western hemisphere would be met with extreme hostility by both France and Spain, as well as Brazil (which is still a relevant regional power in this period).
Spain? Probably, assuming things go similar to OTL vis a vis Cuba. France? You can up with reasons to have them opposed to America, but it would not be automatic. You'd need a reason for them to not be neutral. Also Spain had very little ability to project power. France had more, but not enough to successfully invade the USA or retake Canada.
They would, though. Before the industrialisation of the Haber-Bosch process, everyone was dependent on nitrates from South America for gunpowder and explosives production. Something which would be easy to cut off from the US for Britain. And when the original stocks of ammunition runs out, there won't be much more forthcoming for the US in a war against Britain
The US had plenty of domestic sources of nitrates, although South American imports were cheaper. Also imposing a blockade when both coasts have fully developed harbors and a rail network spans the country would be much harder than doing so in say 1812. Britain was able to blockade Germany because Germany was (mostly) surrounded by Entente countries and the ports it did have access to had to go through choke points to get to the Atlantic. That would not apply in an Anglo-American war. A successful blockade isn't ASB, but it would be difficult and would take a lot of resources, and even then it wouldn't be enough to bring about economic collapse, just economic pain.
 
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Yes, the bulk of them Indians, subject to pseudoscience like the martial races theory which more or less forbade entire castes and ethnic groups from taking up arms because it was believed their lifestyle was "unfit" for service as a soldier.
During WW1, some 1,500,000 men served in the Indian army, taking an accumulated 120,000 casualties. It's total contribution to the war effort exceeds that of all GB's Anglophone colonies combined. (Sauce: https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/war_losses_india)
That's not how the war happened, nor did Indian or African soldiers make an overwhelming contribution to why Germany lost.
Germany was not the only central power though, and the Indian and African soldiers were vital for the colonial war effort. And since WW1 was a World War, as in world-wide, these soldiers were absolutely indispensible to the Empire.
This completely ignores the logistical issues of projecting power into the western hemisphere and the question of how loyal many of those subjects are. British forces were not 19th century Mongols with a navy. They built there empire by backing one side or another in various power struggles.
Colonial soldiers were generally pretty loyal to the Empire so long as they served outside their nation of origin. They were mostly volunteers from middle-class families that were compensated handsomely by the Empire. And many of them, Sikhs and Gurkas for instance, would come from a long tradition of military service that absolutely forbade desertion. Even when there were revolts, the British policy of playing different ethnic groups against each other ensured that oftentimes, these soldiers had no qualms fighting rebels in the name of the Empire.

Besides, where would you go as an Indian deserter in North America? The Americans'd just lynch you on the spot, most likely.
They could wipe the floor with the USA in the eastern hemisphere, but not in the Americas. If there was a war, they'd almost certainly lose mainland Canada, with the possible exception of Nova Scotia. They could probably keep the West Indies and Newfoundland though, especially if the US for some reason chose not to build up its navy despite rising tensions with Britain.
Even if they can only cripple American shipping in the Eastern hemisphere, that's a huge blow to the United States. While exports are not a vital part of the economy for the US, quite a few people make their money in the shipping industry, and the collapse of that industry would have severe consequences on American society and politics.

If they take the Pacific, they can also dump that huge Indian army I mentioned right onto California's shores, which would need to draw any supplies and reinforcements by train from the East Coast, and has a vast shoreline that'd require millions of men to control effectively.

And there are the Mexicans to consider, who'd jump at the opportunity to get back some of their lost empire, especially if they are backed by the largest military power in human history up until that point.

And you're assuming a rapid and easy victory in Canada - which is possible, but a bloody quagmire is too, especially if the British are aware of America's huge military buildup along the border (which they certainly would).

France has had a special relationship with the US since forever (first two Republics in the West since Rome and all that), but a unilateral invasion of Canada is not something they can ignore if they want British aid against Germany. At best, they'd be a moderating influence on the British. Spain'd go to war for the simple reason of eliminating America as a threat to the Carribean, and the prestige of winning a war for once.
 
Useful stats--in 1870, the US economy was 98% the size of Britain's itself, or around 35-40% compared with the British Empire as a whole. That's larger than either Germany or France. In 1913 it had grown by 527% to be the largest in the world. If we assume 70% growth because of a bigger military and less foreign investment, than in 1913 it would still be larger than Germany and (Metropolitan) France combined as well as a sizable fraction of the British Empire.
You don't realise how international diplomacy and great power relations worked back then. It was less diplomacy and more two mafioso bosses staring at each other and seeing who'll blink firsy, and the results were completely and utterly bonkers.

The US and Britain nearly went to war over a shot pig. The British sent 13 000 soldiers, 26 000 carriers and animal handlers, 40 000 draught anials, inlcuding 44 elephants to trek all over Ethiopia to liberate about a dozen hostages, only half of which were British subjects that Enperor Thewodros had taken 1868.

Every country could see what happened to countries that ignored challenges to their territory, prestige and power. The Ottomans and Qing were being picked apart. Tibal Confederacies and Khanates were goaded into splendid little wars and annexed, And the fate of Poland-Lithuania was still fresh in the mind of Europe's rulers. Anyone who looked weak would have to face ten times worse as the vultures started circling. And they KNEW that.

Thus every attempt to take territory will be met with a balls-to-the-walls insane reply with everything that country got. Look how the Spaniards, despite being outmatched from the start, not even in control of Cuba and having not a single chance still sailed their entire navy across the Atlantic to have it murdered by the US at the Battle of Santiago Bay.

So, "why should they over a few islands" is to completely misunderstand how diplomacy and international relations worked in the era.
I think you misread my post. I was saying that if Britain were losing a war to the United States in the 19th century, the rest of the world isn't going to demand them to stop and hand back those Caribbean islands because the United States is not Meiji Japan and the Caribbean is not a highly strategic area like China for trade, warm water ports, etc. If we assume the US ever had gone to war with Britain in this scenario, then this wouldn't be their debut on the international stage (likely involving throwing their weight around diplomatically or militarily against Spain and Latin American nations). It would not be a minor power appearing out of nowhere and interfering in the affairs of major powers as Japan was after the First Sino-Japanese War, but a nation viewed as a rising power having overcame the world power.
The British did not invest in geopolitical rivals. Not in Russia before the Triple Entente (and hardly even after that, the French handled most of that), not in Italy before it left th e Central Powers and so on. British banks were pretty good at following the lead of the government. Building up to become a rival to Britain would have to be motivated internally, and the only version I see working is some kind of jimgoism against Britain, which will lead to incidents, diplomatic, civilian and militarily. Regardless whether these incidents are handled well or not, the US buildup will nto happen in a dark vacuum. Britain will notice and respond, and you'll have a western hemisphere arms race, and in that environment, British banks will not be ledning money in the US, and British investors, fearing having their property seized in a potential war or trade incident, will not invest.
I think a better comparison would be the UK in regards to Imperial Germany, where British and German firms engaged in cooperation in sharing advances in engineering and both countries enjoyed a brisk trade.

This also ignores the limitations of a 19th century naval blockade. Even the small Confederate States Navy and their blockade runners still allowed their nation to carry on some trade internationally. Blockading two coasts against a far larger navy and one with a huge amount of merchant shipping and experienced sailors would be far more difficult. Britain's ally Japan in this era also does not have the ships or projection power necessary, especially before the First Sino-Japanese War. So in the vast Pacific, at least some trade with China and Russia could still be done.
During WW1, some 1,500,000 men served in the Indian army, taking an accumulated 120,000 casualties. It's total contribution to the war effort exceeds that of all GB's Anglophone colonies combined. (Sauce: https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/war_losses_india)

Germany was not the only central power though, and the Indian and African soldiers were vital for the colonial war effort. And since WW1 was a World War, as in world-wide, these soldiers were absolutely indispensible to the Empire.

Colonial soldiers were generally pretty loyal to the Empire so long as they served outside their nation of origin. They were mostly volunteers from middle-class families that were compensated handsomely by the Empire. And many of them, Sikhs and Gurkas for instance, would come from a long tradition of military service that absolutely forbade desertion. Even when there were revolts, the British policy of playing different ethnic groups against each other ensured that oftentimes, these soldiers had no qualms fighting rebels in the name of the Empire.

Besides, where would you go as an Indian deserter in North America? The Americans'd just lynch you on the spot, most likely.
Most of them were far closer to home in the Middle East or Africa, and according to your link includes 563,369 non-combatants, post-war interventions in Afghanistan, Egypt, and Iraq. According to that, less than 10% of that number served on the Western Front in France. It also lists the disparities in treatment Indian soldiers received, especially dependent on theater.

Germany was the lynchpin behind the Central Powers in World War I, and if we're going to assume a World War, then Indian soldiers may well be needed elsewhere than the United States. A world war in this era with a strong American military would likely be pretty disastrous for an Anglo-French alliance, especially in the 1880s when Russia will be at worst neutral toward Germany, Italy on Germany's side, and Japan still limited in power projection.
Even if they can only cripple American shipping in the Eastern hemisphere, that's a huge blow to the United States. While exports are not a vital part of the economy for the US, quite a few people make their money in the shipping industry, and the collapse of that industry would have severe consequences on American society and politics.

If they take the Pacific, they can also dump that huge Indian army I mentioned right onto California's shores, which would need to draw any supplies and reinforcements by train from the East Coast, and has a vast shoreline that'd require millions of men to control effectively.
Taking a train from the East Coast is a hell of a lot easier than taking a steamship across the Pacific, especially since the Pacific is so vast that in the age before radio it would be very difficult to effectively patrol. There is also a scarcity of British-controlled ports in the Pacific. There are neutral Latin American ports, there's a cluster of ports like Esquimalt (the OTL base) and Vancouver, and everything north of that is minor at best. British Columbia is too remote and sparsely populated pre-1900 relatively to the US population on the West Coast and there's a sizable number of American citizens there. Vancouver Island would be difficult to take entirely due to British strength and likely coastal forts, but it could be neutralised via use of sabotage, small minelayers, etc. The Salish Sea is a maze of islands meaning lots of places for torpedo boats or armed merchant raiders to hide (this applies to Britain as well, but the US has more local shipbuilding capacity).
And there are the Mexicans to consider, who'd jump at the opportunity to get back some of their lost empire, especially if they are backed by the largest military power in human history up until that point.
Porfirio Diaz and his regime were owned by the United States government and American corporations, so I don't see why this would change. Like in both World Wars, Latin American nations benefit greatly by staying neutral.
And you're assuming a rapid and easy victory in Canada - which is possible, but a bloody quagmire is too, especially if the British are aware of America's huge military buildup along the border (which they certainly would).

France has had a special relationship with the US since forever (first two Republics in the West since Rome and all that), but a unilateral invasion of Canada is not something they can ignore if they want British aid against Germany. At best, they'd be a moderating influence on the British. Spain'd go to war for the simple reason of eliminating America as a threat to the Carribean, and the prestige of winning a war for once.
But the US could counter that by offering their own aid--given they'd have a large arms industry, still be a major exporter of grain and oil, and have either the third or second largest navy, that's a very good offer. The US also doesn't care what France does in Africa and would help them negotiate new borders or in a pinch, even readjust Liberia's borders (as that nation was wholly dependent on foreign loans). And in the 1880s, there were more cordial relations between France and Germany over fear of a colonial war with Britain, and these fears remained until the early years of the 20th century.
 
Most of them were far closer to home in the Middle East or Africa, and according to your link includes 563,369 non-combatants, post-war interventions in Afghanistan, Egypt, and Iraq. According to that, less than 10% of that number served on the Western Front in France. It also lists the disparities in treatment Indian soldiers received, especially dependent on theater.
I don't quite understand why you're so focused on the European front. While it was the most important front in operational terms, it doesn't really demonstrate the strategic potential of the Empire very well. As I have shown, India was capable of supporting a large and effective colonial army which cannot be ignored in estimating the Empire's capacity for a Great Power War. Even a fraction of that number would still be a large factor in a war between the US and the Empire.
Germany was the lynchpin behind the Central Powers in World War I, and if we're going to assume a World War, then Indian soldiers may well be needed elsewhere than the United States. A world war in this era with a strong American military would likely be pretty disastrous for an Anglo-French alliance, especially in the 1880s when Russia will be at worst neutral toward Germany, Italy on Germany's side, and Japan still limited in power projection.
I don't think this could become a World War. The US had no European allies that would support them if they invaded Canada in a war of agression. France needs Britain as a counter to Germany, and will at best be neutral. Germany enjoys good diplomatic relations with the Empire and still has very limited global power projection capacities. Russia opposes Britain but has no interests in the Americas, and could use the opening much better to expand her power in China and other "neutral" areas. Austria-Hungary has neither the inclination nor the capacity to get involved.
Taking a train from the East Coast is a hell of a lot easier than taking a steamship across the Pacific, especially since the Pacific is so vast that in the age before radio it would be very difficult to effectively patrol.
Sure, but that'd need to be a big army that you then can't use for the invasion of Canada, or defending the East Coast against a strike launched from Nova Scotia, or the Carribean against the Gulf of Mexico. Every one of these coastal fronts would have to receive enough troops to cover its entire length, due to the superior maneuverability of naval forces, and every single strongpoint would have to be able to defend against bombardement by potentially several dozen battleships for days if not weeks until reinforcements arrive.

Basically, the US would be in a similar strategic position to China in the Opium Wars, except with rough technological parity.

I condede that Diaz would likely remain neutral/generally pro-American.
 
Personally I find it strange to analyze this question as if military conflict was the sole way in which great powers competed. The whole point of this thread was to evaluate whether the US could have challenged Britain for the role of global hegemon by 1900. The answer is plainly yes. Even with a largely friendly US at their side, turn of the century Britain was already facing such challenges from France, Germany, Russia, and Japan. A mere two decades later it was largely ejected from its role as the world's sole super power. If for whatever reason the US decided to take an antagonistic stance against Britain in the late 19th century, it likely would've accelerated the process.
 
There's two specific reasons I'm going to say no. The first is that Britain had a literal centuries head start, and a much better developed system of global bases, trade relations and security apparatus for its empire by 1865 and that advantage remained solidly into the first decade of the 20th century. The reason for this was, put simply, global coaling bases that allowed her navy to be a world power that could use its influence to check other powers and lesser powers. The United States navy, even when it made its globe trot with the Great White Fleet from 1907-09 had discovered that for global operations it was dependent on at least friendly relations with Britain to project power. This had been as true as 1898 when Dewey's fleet to Manila Bay had needed to depend on British purchased coal from Hong Kong. However, it effectively relegated the US fleet to being a regional power, unable to challenge the British the world over.

To do so it would have to risk stepping on a lot of European toes and throw itself whole heartedly into empire building, risking wars not just with Britain, but other European powers like France. It might be a case that US expansion becomes seen as a threat to European interests, which could have far reaching effects, but at the very least would motivate the powers of Britain and France to apply muscle when necessary.

The caveat I'll add is that the US could (and did) become the uncontested regional power it did in the Americas, this in spite of anything Britain might do to try and stop it post 1865. Beyond that though, the US protected by the Atlantic has just as much difficulty projecting power in the world of coal fired ships as it does ease of protection simply because of its lack of a global logistics network.
I’d also add that British investment was HUGE driver of American economic growth in the latter 19th century. If the US is actively antagonizing the British and acting like a power that seeks to challenge Britain and potentially conquer British North America, that investment won’t be as large or quick.
 
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