Challenge: Fix the LCS Program

My opinion is that the problems associated with the LCS program have been caused primarily by the mix of requirements and prospective missions imposed on the program, which led to design decisions and compromises that have effectively crippled the platform. Ultimately, the problem goes back to the Navy's interpretation of the results of the LCS program's reference mission, Operation Praying Mantis in 1988.

The collapse of the Soviet Union removed the threat posed by the Soviet submarine fleets on the high seas, so the remaining threats were minor powers and Soviet allies like Libya, Syria, and Iran, which had local air, naval, and missile capabilities. In the 1980s, the Navy launched the SC-21 study series to define replacements for two of the three generations of warships then in service (1960s and 1970s steam ships and 1970s and 1980s gas turbine ships). The new-design Concept 3 ships were ship into 3A air warfare combatants with 4 x 64 VLS cells, the 3B surface warfare combatant with 2 x 64 VLS cells and 2 x 5 inch guns, and the 3C and 3D, which were a range of smaller ships that would follow the Spruance and Perry classes in their ASW roles. The collapse of the Soviet bomber and submarine threats reduced the necessity for the 3A and 3C variants respectively, so the Navy focused on the 3B1 and refined it for littoral and land attack missions, ultimately resulting in the DD-21 design and the Zumwalt class ships.

The LCS concept first developed as an adversarial response to the size of the DD-21 littoral combatant but grew into a full-scale program under Donald Rumsfeld's Office of Force Transformation. The potential mission sets involved in littoral warfare included anti-aircraft, anti-missile, ballistic missile defense, anti-submarine, mine warfare, surface warfare against medium combatants, surface warfare against small missile or patrol boats, surface warfare against fast boats, maritime interception, counter-piracy, special forces support, amphibious warfare, and land attack. The LCS program was designed to entirely discard response to the aerial threat beyond point defenses (a basic air search radar and RAM launcher), and focus on fighting fast boats, inshore mini submarines, and mines, utilizing the module system to camouflage acquisition costs and program delays by offloading complex combat systems from the individual hulls.

I'm going to break down the individual missions in terms of best technical option and least risk:
  1. Anti-aircraft warfare: Land-based or carrier-based fighters with AWACS support are probably the most effective options for air defense over a wide area, but they are not as persistent as surface combatants. For combatants, engaging with large, long-range SAMs like the SM-2ER or the planned "forward pass" OTH missiles is the best option to engage manned aircraft before they can launch shorter ranged missiles.
  2. Anti-missile warfare: Inbound anti-ship missiles would be engaged by Aegis-equipped ships with layered missile defenses, including SM-2ER, SM2-MR, and Sea Sparrow missiles. These were not options available to the LCS, so the LCS would rely on air defense by nearby Aegis-equipped combatants.
  3. Ballistic missile defense: Requires persistent platforms with BMD-capable radars and missiles. A task specifically for high-end combatants.
  4. Anti-submarine warfare: In the littoral region, the primary threat is going to be SSKs and SSMs. The most effective ASW platforms are fixed-wing MPAs and ASW helicopters, but helicopters will need somewhere to land and refuel or their loiter/search time will be severely impacted by transit times. A ship designed for littoral ASW will focus on using active sonar due to ambient noise and bottom topography. Water depths may restrict the use of towed sonars, so hull-mounted sonars may be preferable.
  5. Mine warfare: The task of actual minesweeping has gone to helicopters, usually towing a variety of minesweeping sleds optimized against different types of mines. The MCMs in service were equipped primarily for the minehunting role, which involves searching for mines using active sonars and then neutralizing them with ROVs. The "minehunting module" designed for the LCS is not an actual module like a Danish Stanflex module but a package of equipment, sensors, and control systems that can fit into an LCS. With the requisite amount of space and the ability to deploy small boats, any ship could carry the minehunting module, so the LCS is not the only option for that.
  6. Surface warfare against medium combatants: Enemy combatants with air defense capabilities of their own are relatively rare but present the most serious surface threat. They would be able to engage aircraft trying to attack with anything other than anti-ship missiles, and most would be able to deal with small salvos of anti-ship missiles with their own defenses. Kills will generally require a large-scale, coordinated attack by either air or surface platforms launching anti-ship missiles in relatively large numbers.
  7. Surface warfare against missile boats: Missile boats like an Osa or Tarantul will lack the weapons to engage most aircraft but are able to target ships that come over the horizon. The best weapon against them will be aircraft with laser-guided bombs or missiles.
  8. Surface warfare against fast boats: Unless the enemy boats are carrying MANPADS, there would be almost no threat to helicopters other than gunfire and unguided rockets. The most capable weapon an US Navy warship can field against a swarm of attacking fast boats would probably be a Marine AH-1s and UH-1s loaded with Hellfires and APKWS rockets. Aircraft using cluster bombs would also be a viable option, as was demonstrated in 1988, but helicopters would probably be able to carry more stowed kills. The risk a surface combatant would put itself in trying to engage small boats with its own guns and short-range missiles should deter these kinds of engagements.
  9. Maritime interception: Chasing down smugglers or pirates on the high seas requires something fast and maneuverable that can catch up with a fleeing boat and put sailors onboard for a VBSS. Even if an LCS can use its 40+ knot top speed to chase down a smuggling boat, it will still need to slow and put a small boat in the water to actually get people onboard. Helicopters may be another option for boarding, or can corral a boat until the surface ship with the RHIB can show up.
  10. Counter piracy: More generally, counter piracy and counter smuggling require good endurance and seakeeping to ensure consistent patrolling.
  11. Special forces support: A ship trying to support special forces insertion or extraction will need to be fast and stealthy, but a helicopter will probably be even faster and more stealthy. NSWC tried to use Cyclone class patrol boats derived from a British missile boat design, but found that even these 300 ton boats with 6 to 8 foot drafts were too deep for their uses. I suspect something like an LCAC would have been closer to what NSWC was looking for.
  12. Amphibious warfare: The idea that any warship would be a realistic platform to carry reasonable numbers of Marines and their equipment is absurd. The Marines wanted V-22s, LCACs, and EFVs so they wouldn't have to bring amphibious shipping into the littoral area, where it would be vulnerable to shore-based missiles. Going back into the littoral to fight it out with those missiles was not a risk the Marines wanted to take.
  13. Land attack: Aircraft and helicopters are probably the best option for close air support, but large surface combatants are able to provide persistent fire and large salvo sizes. The LCS had no land attack capability.

Since I am focusing strictly on alternatives to the LCS program here, I am going to discard ballistic missile defense and amphibious warfare as specific mission sets best left to other platforms. I think the mine warfare, maritime interception, and special warfare support are more or less platform-agnostic, so they could be met by any ship with the requisite combination of aviation and small boat capacity. In particular, I think the "minehunting module" could be deployed onboard something more like an offshore PSV than a warship. Counter-piracy is another capability that could be considered platform-agnostic, but I would look for something like an OPV with long cruising range and aviation capabilities as a minimum. In the case of the US, if the USCG is able to maintain PATFORSWA with more than a tenth of their entire FRC fleet, they should be able to send a large cutter or two to participate in CTF 150 and CTF 151 operations. However, that role would generally fall to any deployed US Navy combatants in the 5th Fleet AOR, because all that is really required is a helicopter and small boats. Finally, land attack is primarily a function of available weapons, so the only differences from a ship designed for other roles might be upgrading from a 57mm or 76mm gun to a 5 inch or going from a Tactical to Strike Mk 41 to launch Tomahawks. The missions we actually end up with are area air defense against aircraft and missiles, littoral ASW, and a secondary anti-surface role. What we end up with is basically a Perry-class successor ship rather than a small, light combatant, because aircraft and helicopters are almost certainly better options against most surface targets than a ship.

Consistent with the roles and employment of the Perry-class frigate, its replacement will be able to undertake operations in areas threatened by enemy aircraft and anti-ship missiles and by enemy submarines. It will be capable of independent operations, necessarily with an endurance of roughly one month and potentially up to two months. Primary use cases would be as part of a CSG or ARG, escorting friendly merchant or sealift shipping, or conducting routine presence operations in all but the most hostile environments. Required equipment would include a minimum of:
  1. 32 Tactical-length Mk 41 VLS cells (likely weapons load of 24 x SM-2MR, 4 x VL-ASROC, and 16 x ESSM)
  2. Twin quad-pack deck-mounted Harpoon launchers
  3. At least one CIWS or RAM launcher
  4. Twin SVTTs
  5. Hull-mounted sonar
  6. Towed sonar array
  7. Mechanical quieting on engines
  8. Space for at least one helicopter
The result is almost identical to what the US Navy is now looking for in the Constellation class FFGs, and can be found on several frigate designs around the world, although matching the Perry class results in a heavy missile armament compared to most Western navies, where air warfare combatants like the Iroquois class, Sachsen class, Bazan class, and Type 45 have between 32 and 48 Mk 41 VLS cells. Further, if we're already looking in the 5,000+ ton range, stretching for features like a 5 inch gun for land attack capability and room for a second helicopter are not far-fetched.

Finally, I am going to look at where this frigate could fit in the US Navy's post Cold War fleet structure. The Navy finished the Cold War with 46 Knox class frigates commissioned between 1969 and 1974 and 51 Perry class frigates commissioned between 1977 and 1989. The Knox class lacked air defense capabilities, ran on problematic 1,200 psi steam plants, and had basically improvised aviation facilities for a single helicopter. Although they were only about twenty years old when they were decommissioned in the early 1990s, they had little utility in a non-ASW world beyond use as simple OPVs. The Perry class, on the other hand, had a smaller crew, gas turbine propulsion, two helicopters, and area air defense capabilities. The 21 short-hull FFGs carried Kaman Seasprites, while the 30 long-hull FFGs carried Seahawks. The short-hull ships were decommissioned between the late 1990s and early 2000s, apparently because of the Seasprites, while the long-hull ships had their area air defense capability removed around 2005 and were mostly decommissioned between 2010 and 2015.

The procurement requirements for the frigate fleet are going to be:
  1. Maintain a fleet of at least 40 ships and preferably up to 60 ships.
  2. Retire the Seasprites by 2005.
  3. Retire the SM-1s by 2005.
  4. Decommission the long hull FFGs between 2010 and 2020.
This means that new frigates will have to start entering service around 2000, with nine commissioned by 2005. Additionally, the remaining long-hull ships will need to upgraded to launch SM-2 missiles by 2005. This would constitute either upgrading the ship's combat systems to SM-2 compatibility, which is what the Australians did, or replacing the Mk 13 installations with a large VLS. Based on the Adelaide class Mk 41 installation forward of the Mk 13, there might be space there for 32 Mk 41 cells, although some might not be Tactical-length. Adding another 10 to 15 new frigates before decommissioning any upgraded long-hull frigates would give time to make the upgrades make sense, especially if those ships can then be sold to foreign navies. After 2010, new frigates would replace long-hull Perry class frigates at a one-to-one ratio. Altogether, this would require production of 50 to 60 new frigates between 2000 and 2020. Although these frigates are conceptualized here to replace the LCS program, if they are armed with 5 inch guns and Strike-length Mk 41 VLS, they could also fulfill the Zumwalt class's land attack role.

Although this notional frigate would probably be an American design rather than an adaptation of a foreign design, I'll discuss how it would have compared to some of its contemporaries.
  1. The Type 23, Halifax class, and MEKO 200 represent NATO light frigates. They have one gun, one CIWS, one helicopter, and point defense protection from Sea Sparrows or an equivalent missile. These are lightly armed compared to the Perry class and any FFG successors, although they are probably quite similar to Cold War era plans to follow the Perry class with a lower-cost, lower-capability successor specifically to replace the Knox class.
  2. The French La Fayette class is remarkably similar in armament to the LCS, with a single gun, missile-based CIWS, and deck launchers for Exocets. I personally think that, if the LCS had abandoned the requirement for extremely high speed, the result would have been something like the La Fayette class and would today be considered fairly reasonable. The La Fayette's derivatives, the Saudi Al Riyadh class and the Singaporean Formidable class, both incorporate area air defense capability with Aster missiles, and the Formidable class also has space for up to 24 deck-mounted Harpoon launchers and reportedly for two Seahawk helicopters. The Formidable class is one of the smallest frigate designs that would meet the FFG requirements, and were laid down between 2004 and 2006.
  3. Five classes of NATO air defense frigates are equipped with similar combinations of the SMART-L air search radar and either EMPAR, APAR, or SAMPSON sea skimmer targeting radars: Sachsen, De Zeven Provincien, Iver Huitfeldt, Type 45, and Horizon class. These 20 total ships are between 5,000 and 7,000 tons, between 140 and 150 meters long, have between 32 and 48 VLS cells, and carry either one or two helicopters. They probably have a higher-end air defense installation than what the Perry successor would be looking at, but are otherwise very close.
  4. The Talwar class (Krivak IV) and derived Shivalik class are comparable Indian frigates while the Grigorovich class (Krivak V) are somewhat more similar to what the US Navy would have actually built with their VLS installations. The Krivaks are rather small, while the Shivalik class is 20 meters longer, with a total length of 144 meters, and can also carry two helicopters. The Chinese Type 054A frigate, is armed with HQ-16 SAMs likely derived from the Russian S-350 or Buk/Shtil system, provides somewhat similar capabilities.
  5. The Navantia Aegis frigates, the Spanish Alvaro de Bazan class, the Australian Hobart class, and the Norwegian Fridtjof Nansen class, are similar in air defense capability to many other NATO air defense frigates, although the Nansen class only has 16 Mk 41 VLS cells. Like the other NATO air defense frigates, these ships are probably more optimized for air warfare than the Perry successor would be. The Aegis system in particular would probably be reserved for DDGs due to the significant costs imposed on the design.
  6. In the linear progression of Japanese destroyers, the 2000 IOC date required falls within the era of the Murasame class. These ships had a 16 cell Mk 41 VLS specifically for ASROC and a 16 cell Mk 41 VLS specifically for Sea Sparrow. After 2003, Takanami class destroyers with a single 32 cell Mk 41 VLS entered service. Japanese destroyers of the time used the Otobreda 127mm/54 Compact and had hangars for a single helicopter, although an expanded superstructure would be able to support two hangars.
  7. The South Korean Chungmugong Yi Sun-sin class is remarkably similar to the established FFG requirements, with a 5 inch gun, two helicopters, and room for a 32 cell Mk 41 VLS for Standards and Sea Sparrows alongside a 24 cell K-VLS for K-ASROC and Hyunmoo-III land-attack cruise missiles. This ship uses a SPS-49 with two illuminators, which would be a somewhat less expensive sensor installation than the NATO air defense frigates.
  8. The Danish Absalon class have been discussed quite frequently in comparison to the LCS due to their "modular" design. They carry a standard armament that includes a 5 inch gun, hull mounted sonar, two large helicopters, and CIWS, but can carry ESSMs and Harpoons with Stanflex modules. Additionally, Absalon class ships had substantial storage space, enough to carry a full infantry company with combat vehicles or several hundred mines. However, compared to most other combatants, their all-diesel propulsion means that they are relatively slow, with a top-speed of roughly 24 knots.
  9. Although the Legend-class National Security Cutters were only laid down in 2005 and commissioned in 2008, probably ten years late for the FFG successor, they are generally indicative of the size and mechanical equipment necessary for the FFG mission. The combination of MTU 20V diesels and a single LM2500 is shared with many other classes of ships, including the Franco-Italian FREMM and the derived Constellation class. In a world where the FFG successor comes before the National Security Cutter program, the cutters would likely be lightly armed and downgraded versions of the frigates, rather than seeing an upgraded version of the cutter compete in the frigate design contest.
Generally speaking, the size and armament of the Perry class FFG successor would be comparable to heavy frigates and destroyers in most other navies, even if they are designed to be capable of fighting in the littorals and in more constricted waters. The reality is that the best platforms for combat in islands and along the shoreline are not ships at all but aircraft and helicopters. Although they are more vulnerable, they are also stealthier and far more mobile, which equates to a superior ability to avoid threats. Because the LCS program was forced to focus on a low-cost solution, the result was a ship that could only engage at the low-cost end of the spectrum of littoral operations, effectively abandoning the most critical tasks asked of warships to escorting Burke class destroyers that would presumably accompany the smaller ships into dangerous areas. As a ship, the LCS has many specific issues that are a result of its design requirements, primarily with its machinery and availability, but concentrating on those factors ignores the misguided thinking that led to those fatal requirements. Looking at the threat environment of the time and the US Navy's recent combat experience, the abandonment of area air defense capability at a level lower than the Burke class destroyer's high end capability substantially increased, rather than decreasing, the pressure on the existing Aegis fleet.
 
The biggest problem I saw in the LCS class's was that despite excellent capabilities they needed a larger self defence capability to just survive in the littoral waters of any opponent.

As a minimum they needed to have 8 VLS tubes for quad ESSM just to defend themselves (32 ESSM total). Once you add in defending other ships or engaging atting aircraft even through co-op engagement you need to go to a 24 cell minimum and the ships just could not take that due to size.
I think the idea of a multi-role ship with swapping out mission modules is great but the way they did it was inadequate for actual warfighting.

The new Constellation class design and the Type 26 Hunter class are closer to what should have been done instead.

The LCS program could have been done differently and been more capable. They tried to go cheaper and lost significant capability in the process. Both ship designs could have been built with more VLS tubes if required.
 
The big problem for the LCS was that its design requirements were all over the place. It was supposed to be:
  • A grown-up FAC zipping around the enemy coast hunting patrol craft, missile boats, small craft, pirates and blockade runners.
  • A small, *cheap* quasi-expendable platform for ASW & minesweeping in coastal waters.
  • An OHP-replacement frigate capable of independent operations in low/medium threat areas and joining up with a CVBG if required.
The trouble is that to be marginally survivable against even a second or third tier air/missile threat it needs a fairly chunky SAM fit (say 8x4 ESSM minimum, plus the radar to use them), and once you've found the space for that plus the weapons it need to do its job, you've got a 5,000+ ton frigate that costs as much to buy and run as every other 5,000 ton frigate, is too expensive to risk in coastal waters and still can't operate in medium/high threat environments without a CG or DDG to provide area air defence.

If you actually want an *LCS*, rather than general-purpose frigate with a cover story to get it past the Pentagon, I'd say your best bet is to go with a cut-down version of the Independence class. Drop the 40kt speed requirement, forget the modules (they were always a "we can have everything on one platform without paying for any of it" fantasy), use the deck space/volume from the trimaran hull for the ability to operate 3 MH-60 helicopters (or more likely 2+UAVs). Armament will be self-defence only, say 2x SeaRAM and a couple of chainguns. Mission is to sit off the coast, just over the horizon from land-based radars, and act as a forward helicopter base. ASW. minesweeping, recon, light strike, special-forces etc etc missions will all be performed by the helicopters. And don't even think about sending it in against a near-peer opponent until you've suppressed their air-search capability.
 
The big problem for the LCS was that its design requirements were all over the place. It was supposed to be:
  • A grown-up FAC zipping around the enemy coast hunting patrol craft, missile boats, small craft, pirates and blockade runners.
  • A small, *cheap* quasi-expendable platform for ASW & minesweeping in coastal waters.
  • An OHP-replacement frigate capable of independent operations in low/medium threat areas and joining up with a CVBG if required.
The trouble is that to be marginally survivable against even a second or third tier air/missile threat it needs a fairly chunky SAM fit (say 8x4 ESSM minimum, plus the radar to use them), and once you've found the space for that plus the weapons it need to do its job, you've got a 5,000+ ton frigate that costs as much to buy and run as every other 5,000 ton frigate, is too expensive to risk in coastal waters and still can't operate in medium/high threat environments without a CG or DDG to provide area air defence.
If you look at these three requirements, you end up with three different types of ships. The FAC could be something like the Ambassador Mk III built by VT Halter for the Egyptians, with a 76mm gun, 8 Harpoons, Phalanx, and a RAM launcher. The second ship might be something like the Braunschweig class corvettes in German service, with all-diesel propulsion, a sprint speed around 25 - 28 knots, and relatively light armament on a ~2,000 ton hull. However, a ship designed for the undersea warfare role would require a full-size helicopter hangar, SVTTs, and hull-mounted and towed sonars. This would probably be closest to the general conception of the LCS. The OHP replacement would, of course, be a full-sized surface combatant. However, the problem with just looking at ships as the solution to your mission sets is that you neglect aircraft and helicopters, which are going to be more useful in most littoral situations. Still, I think splitting up all of these roles between different ships would have been better than trying to cram it all on one platform. Even if the cost for three ship classes is higher than for the LCS, you are going to have significantly better cost efficiency in terms of investment per generated forces because the LCSs are useless.
If you actually want an *LCS*, rather than general-purpose frigate with a cover story to get it past the Pentagon, I'd say your best bet is to go with a cut-down version of the Independence class. Drop the 40kt speed requirement, forget the modules (they were always a "we can have everything on one platform without paying for any of it" fantasy), use the deck space/volume from the trimaran hull for the ability to operate 3 MH-60 helicopters (or more likely 2+UAVs). Armament will be self-defence only, say 2x SeaRAM and a couple of chainguns. Mission is to sit off the coast, just over the horizon from land-based radars, and act as a forward helicopter base. ASW. minesweeping, recon, light strike, special-forces etc etc missions will all be performed by the helicopters. And don't even think about sending it in against a near-peer opponent until you've suppressed their air-search capability.
If you're just going to turn the LCS into a little aircraft carrier, then you don't need to accept the compromises the trimaran hull imposes in order to get the high top speed. You also don't need the ship to be aluminum if it isn't going fast. If you just want a floating helicopter pad, a converted offshore PSV would be the most basic answer, with ships like the Cragside/Ocean Trader at the top end. I like this article https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/a-ship-that-still-isnt-a-frigate/ for the ideas about just how many noncombatant tasks can be offloaded from the combatants.
The LCS needed to be about 500 tons heavier at least and preferably about 1000 tons bigger and the insane requirements to do EVERYTHING needs to be cut back.
If you make the LCS larger without changing the speed requirement, you are just going to make the machinery that much more complex and unreliable. If you cut back on the requirements, then you probably aren't going to need a ship even as large as what the OTL LCS turned out to be.
Or instead of something as a new design build either the

or

As a true small but well armed combattant that can defend itself and engage small craft.
The Israeli corvettes are definitely heavily armed for their size, but they exist in a world where their enemy has little to no undersea or OTH capability and where they rarely have to sail more than a few dozen miles from shore. The Sa'ar 5 and Sa'ar 6 also have pretty poor seakeeping, which is a tradeoff they can make in the Eastern Mediterranean and Red Sea but that the US Navy wouldn't be able to reasonably accept in the South China Sea and most of the rest of East Asia. For example, most of the South China Sea is seeing 10 - 15 foot waves right now, and that isn't even associated with a low pressure system.
 
Thats the thing, the 40+ knot speed requirement + all the other factors is bonkers, just drop the speed to 30 - 32 knots for a start and enlarge the hull, really the program would need to be completely overhauled and redone from the ground up to get something more useful and viable.
Or just canned and then you get a US version of the Meko 200 or something made as a general purpose OHP replacement.
 
Wouldn't it be better to modernize the OHP on the model of the Australian ones, so that they can safely serve in smaller numbers for the next decade and wait for the intended successor.
 
Have the program not be so rushed so that someone has time to look at the cost equations they were using and go "wait a second"

That right there is the big problem, they used equations for high speed ferries as a basis for projecting the cost of the LCS, and as a result they massively underestimated how much more costly making the thing 40+knots would be

If they use the right equations chances are somebody sees the requirements and goes "okay not paying that much, take it down to 30 knots", do that and you fix the gearbox and corrosion issues that are the big problems. You probably also have the ability to add another 500 to 1000 tons for more space/range

There is also the issue that the LCS had too small crews and the model they planned on was proved not to work. With a longer timeframe this can be known before the crew size is finalized

So saving the LCS basically involves stretching out the program timeframe so there is time to check everything





Anyways you certainly aren't getting an FFG in this time period. The USN has more air defense capability than it ever did thanks to Burke spam and the AV-MF is functionally gone, and you threat assessment is from the late 90's. So no SM-2, and probably no ESSM so that you can save money on a radar and build more of the things so you don't run the DDGs into the ground

You also aren't getting more than one hull, or at least you can't plan on that, that was why the LC tried to do so many things. That Congress was stupid enough not to downselect to a single design is not foreseeable



Basically you want something ~3,000 tons, 30-32 knots, CODAG, lots of automation for minimal crew but not too minimal, hangar capability for 2 helos plus UAVs, lots of room for boats. Keep the modularity, they tested it and it actually worked, only issue was leaving crew sitting around. Fixed armament of a 57mm (less crew than a 76mm), 2-4 25-35mm, and a RAM launcher, which compares to the planned OHP refit of a 76mm, a RAM launcher and a Phalanx floating around in the early 2000's. All ships would be FFBNW a set of harpoons to save money, as anti ship capability is not a requirement at the time, but could be later. Most ships as built carry a set of SVTT, towed array and hull sonar for ASW work. No VLS as there aren't enough VL-ASROC to fully equip the DDG and CGs, you aren't carrying a radar for more than RAM to save money and there are enough Tomahawk platforms already. A few ships instead carry a set of minesweeping gear to train reservists, with a bunch of minesweeping sets in reserve to be reequipped to ASW ships with reservist MCM specialists in case of major conflict

You aren't getting something at the $225 million target price, but if you can hold it down to $500 million or less that's probably enough

Ideally you have a 3500 ton stretch variant with 8-32 VLS cells and a radar that can handle ESSM available for export, which gets switched to when China starts getting squirrelly
 
Wouldn't it be better to modernize the OHP on the model of the Australian ones, so that they can safely serve in smaller numbers for the next decade and wait for the intended successor.

Aye that would work too, really the LCS ships are kind of an example of the War on Terror mindset of the time, they're colonial gun boats of a different time. The OHP's were good little ships and it was shown they were tough seeing as one was hit by several exocets and another hit mines and got home.

I'd retain the 76, add a Sea RAM and maybe instead of the old fashioned arm launcher, put in a VLS cell instead, and call it done whilst actively working on a follow on and successor Frigate, not some glorified gunboat with multiple personality disorder.
 

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I wonder if they could have gone much smaller and treated them as autonomous weapons platforms. You could get minimal offshore fire support, a bunch of CIWS stations for anti speed boat and short range missile defense, and if there's nobody on board who care if it's sunk?
 
I wonder if they could have gone much smaller and treated them as autonomous weapons platforms. You could get minimal offshore fire support, a bunch of CIWS stations for anti speed boat and short range missile defense, and if there's nobody on board who care if it's sunk?

Not with the tech of the time, the USN is looking at the so called 'Ghost Fleet' of drones and the like now- https://www.businessinsider.com/us-...ter-china-2023-9?international=true&r=US&IR=T - but back then I doubt you'd get the approval for it and its something that could go wrong as you'd be putting a lot of money into a drone system at sea that may not work.
 
If you're just going to turn the LCS into a little aircraft carrier, then you don't need to accept the compromises the trimaran hull imposes in order to get the high top speed. You also don't need the ship to be aluminum if it isn't going fast. If you just want a floating helicopter pad, a converted offshore PSV would be the most basic answer, with ships like the Cragside/Ocean Trader at the top end. I like this article https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/a-ship-that-still-isnt-a-frigate/ for the ideas about just how many noncombatant tasks can be offloaded from the combatants.
Point taken, but I'm not going with the trimaran design for speed, I'm using it to get the largest possible flight deck on a low displacement. And it will still need some speed - 40 knots is silly, but if it can't cruise at 18-20 knots and sprint at 25-27 it will have issues working with "real" warships. The "flight deck and hangar on a civilian hull" idea is interesting, but the problem with the Expeditionary Mobile Base concept is that it is a huge slow target with exactly zero defence against any sort of anti-surface threat. So you can only deploy it (unescorted) if you have complete naval and air supremacy.

As I understand it, one of the ideas behind the LCS was that while it couldn't operate in a high threat environment, it could survive against a single missile corvette, a shore battery with a couple of Silkworm launchers or a flight of monkey-model MiGs loading iron bombs or 1st-gen ASMs.
 
Thats the thing, the 40+ knot speed requirement + all the other factors is bonkers, just drop the speed to 30 - 32 knots for a start and enlarge the hull, really the program would need to be completely overhauled and redone from the ground up to get something more useful and viable.
If you're going to drop the speed requirement, why do you still need the trimaran? Is this a role that you could do with the Expeditionary Fast Transport instead?
Or just canned and then you get a US version of the Meko 200 or something made as a general purpose OHP replacement.
A ~3,000 ton combatant like the MEKO 200 is going to be in a problematic capability valley. It would be substantially more expensive than an OPV equipped like a Coast Guard cutter but without providing anything more than self defense capability against missiles. The vast majority of missions are going to be low intensity patrols and presence operations that an OPV can do, but then any realistic air or missile threat is going to be coming with enough capability to make relying on a few ESSMs a risky proposition. Based on the applicable mission sets, the reality is that air warfare would (should) have been the primary focus for the OHP successor because air platforms are better against both surface and subsurface targets.
Wouldn't it be better to modernize the OHP on the model of the Australian ones, so that they can safely serve in smaller numbers for the next decade and wait for the intended successor.
That would be a good idea, but the OHPs would be retiring after 2010, which is what the US Navy did OTL. The hull shortage came more from retiring the Seasprite, dumping the Super Seasprite after just ten years, and decommissioning the short-hull OHPs than anything to do with the long-hull ships, although I think removing all air defense capability with the SM-1MRs was a mistake.
Have the program not be so rushed so that someone has time to look at the cost equations they were using and go "wait a second"

That right there is the big problem, they used equations for high speed ferries as a basis for projecting the cost of the LCS, and as a result they massively underestimated how much more costly making the thing 40+knots would be

If they use the right equations chances are somebody sees the requirements and goes "okay not paying that much, take it down to 30 knots", do that and you fix the gearbox and corrosion issues that are the big problems. You probably also have the ability to add another 500 to 1000 tons for more space/range

There is also the issue that the LCS had too small crews and the model they planned on was proved not to work. With a longer timeframe this can be known before the crew size is finalized

So saving the LCS basically involves stretching out the program timeframe so there is time to check everything
If they do this, then what does the ship look like? Part of the speed requirement was for tactical speed to tangle with small boats, because large combatants in the Persian Gulf were getting swarmed by Iranian small boats. When Vincennes accidentally shot down the Iran Air airliner, it was in a gunfight with several Iranian fast boats that had surrounded it. Without the speed, is the anti-fast boat mission still there, and will the LCS still be able to get within 57mm and NLOS range to engage?
Anyways you certainly aren't getting an FFG in this time period. The USN has more air defense capability than it ever did thanks to Burke spam and the AV-MF is functionally gone, and you threat assessment is from the late 90's. So no SM-2, and probably no ESSM so that you can save money on a radar and build more of the things so you don't run the DDGs into the ground
The Kitchens may not be a threat anymore, but the Iranians and the Chinese still have plenty of anti-ship missiles and tactical aircraft. The reason the LCS didn't have any area air defense capability was because another littoral combatant, the DD-21, was going to get the DBR and SM-2 to provide area air defense. The DD-21 needed to be able to get pretty close inshore to use its 5 inch guns with ERGM, so the stealth was an important part of survivability against radar-guided anti-ship missiles. The early DD-21 designs were supposed to have two 5 inch guns and 2 x 64 VLS cells on a hull that was supposed to be able to survive battle damage and continue fighting. I think spreading the same weapons out on multiple hulls would give you the same tactical survivability in terms of on-station capabilities while also providing more operational flexibility. In effect, an FFG armed with a 5 inch gun and Strike-length Mk 41 would replace not only the LCS but also the Zumwalt class.
I wonder if they could have gone much smaller and treated them as autonomous weapons platforms. You could get minimal offshore fire support, a bunch of CIWS stations for anti speed boat and short range missile defense, and if there's nobody on board who care if it's sunk?
If nobody's on board and you don't care if it gets sunk, why do you need point defenses? Also, is an unmanned boat with a bunch of small guns on it the best way to fight small boats? A lot of what I've seen has pointed to helicopters with ATGMs and other small missiles as the best weapon, so the best surface platform would just be a ship capable of carrying the helicopters, not one that has to engage the small boats itself. Further, I don't think unmanned platforms make sense, period. They are just going to be a hassle to maintain and operate because every bit of control and support will have to come from another ship. The unmanned ship and the missiles it carries are already substantial monetary investments and tactical capabilities that need to be defended, so they will have their own CIWS. At that point, why not just have a crew onboard who can maintain and operate the ship in case of equipment issues?
Point taken, but I'm not going with the trimaran design for speed, I'm using it to get the largest possible flight deck on a low displacement. And it will still need some speed - 40 knots is silly, but if it can't cruise at 18-20 knots and sprint at 25-27 it will have issues working with "real" warships. The "flight deck and hangar on a civilian hull" idea is interesting, but the problem with the Expeditionary Mobile Base concept is that it is a huge slow target with exactly zero defence against any sort of anti-surface threat. So you can only deploy it (unescorted) if you have complete naval and air supremacy.

As I understand it, one of the ideas behind the LCS was that while it couldn't operate in a high threat environment, it could survive against a single missile corvette, a shore battery with a couple of Silkworm launchers or a flight of monkey-model MiGs loading iron bombs or 1st-gen ASMs.
The reality with the LCS is that they can only deploy in complete naval and air supremacy because they have such limited organic capability. If Gravely almost got hit by a missile in the Red Sea, what kind of threat does that pose to a ship armed only with RAMs? The British combatants that went down to the Falklands in 1982 almost universally had air defenses at least comparable to what a single RAM launcher constitutes, and about a third of them were hit by Argentine air attacks. It was really a miracle that the British only lost four combatants, and that was against a medium-threat opponent attacking in relatively small numbers. If that's the kind of threat environment the Iranians could create in the Persian Gulf, then an LCS isn't going anywhere near it without cover from an area air defense combatant, so it's not that different from a civilian ship - or an Avenger class MCM - in that regard.
 
It will probably be better to just make two programs, one for a new universal hull for minesweepers and a new ASW as a replacement for Knox. The second typical frigate, this could be done at the expense of decommissioning DDG(X).

Although if you want something even more cheap, leave the Iowa battleships in service.

EX-148 HE-ER ammunition for 66 km, and AGWS is 135 km,
 
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It will probably be better to just make two programs, one for a new universal hull for minesweepers and a new ASW as a replacement for Knox. The second typical frigate, this could be done at the expense of decommissioning DDG(X).
All of the Osprey and Avenger class mine hunters were commissioned in the late 1980s and early 1990s, so they shouldn't have been retiring before 2010 at the absolute earliest. An OHP successor program in the 1990s shouldn't even have to worry about mine warfare.
 
If they do this, then what does the ship look like? Part of the speed requirement was for tactical speed to tangle with small boats, because large combatants in the Persian Gulf were getting swarmed by Iranian small boats. When Vincennes accidentally shot down the Iran Air airliner, it was in a gunfight with several Iranian fast boats that had surrounded it. Without the speed, is the anti-fast boat mission still there, and will the LCS still be able to get within 57mm and NLOS range to engage?

The Kitchens may not be a threat anymore, but the Iranians and the Chinese still have plenty of anti-ship missiles and tactical aircraft. The reason the LCS didn't have any area air defense capability was because another littoral combatant, the DD-21, was going to get the DBR and SM-2 to provide area air defense. The DD-21 needed to be able to get pretty close inshore to use its 5 inch guns with ERGM, so the stealth was an important part of survivability against radar-guided anti-ship missiles. The early DD-21 designs were supposed to have two 5 inch guns and 2 x 64 VLS cells on a hull that was supposed to be able to survive battle damage and continue fighting. I think spreading the same weapons out on multiple hulls would give you the same tactical survivability in terms of on-station capabilities while also providing more operational flexibility. In effect, an FFG armed with a 5 inch gun and Strike-length Mk 41 would replace not only the LCS but also the Zumwalt class.
Anti small boat probably gets passed onto the Helicopters, Romeo Seahawk can carry 16 hellfires which can kill a lot of Boghammers

Yes they do, and the USN has a force of AEGIS CG and DDG sized to deal with the much more potent force that just vanished. Because of that it doesn't need more air Defense capability in the 00's

Turning DD-21 into an FFG would not get you twice the hulls, maybe 50% more if you are lucky, you are having to duplicate all the expensive stuff (engines, electronics) and lose a lot of economies in crewing that come with the larger ship
All of the Osprey and Avenger class mine hunters were commissioned in the late 1980s and early 1990s, so they shouldn't have been retiring before 2010 at the absolute earliest. An OHP successor program in the 1990s shouldn't even have to worry about mine warfare.
It should because the Cold War is over, and the USN is pretty confident its AAW and blue water ASW are up to snuff given the much lesser challenges now facing it but just had two big problems with its MCM demonstrated to it during the Gulf War

The first is that the existing MCM craft cannot self deploy in a timely manner. Ergo if you need mine sweeping at an unexpected place it takes forever for them to show up and requires an ocean going tug or lift ship. And WWII demonstrated that a merchant raider can plant minefields on the other side of the planet from its homeport, so nothing is stopping say Iran from loading up tramp with mines, having it play Lloyd's looper under false papers and then deploy a minefield somewhere nasty in the event of war

The second is that current MCM craft are vulnerable enough that they need a CG/DDG right next to them to provide terminal defense and chase off small boats, which leaves them at the edges of the minefield and very vulnerable to an oops like with Princeton

The LCS was intended to solve these, by being able to self deploy, and have a CIWS and autocannon to fend off small targets so that the DDG/CG on overwatch can be 5km+ away and not right at the edge of the minefield
 
Accept that the LCS program is a bad idea and take it out back and shoot it. Take the “bright“ spark that suggested the outback and shoot them too.

I joke it really is a terrible idea. The program has gotten capability creep in a bad way. Instead, design two or three classes to fill the purpose of the program. Have them share the same hull form.
 
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I think the key issue is what is the mission for the LCS after the USN retired the entire Perry-class in 2015. That left 3 mission areas empty (AA support, Anti-Submarine, and convoy escort). The LCS was planned to do NONE of those and the USN decided to drop the ship based Anti-Submarine and convoy escort missions...don't even get me started on the lack of training over the last 20+ years of NATO forces for Anti-Submarine warfare.
 
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If you need a damn artillery gunboat, leave the Battleship Iowa in service. Throw 80 VLS Mk41s in there.
 
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