Batman: Legends of the Screen

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Welcome to Batman: Legends of the Screen. This thread is dedicated to timelines and alternate history vignettes of Batman actors, films, television, and other media projects of the Dark Knight. Batman has existed since 1939. From the realm of the campy to the dark and gritty, there are countless Batman projects that could have been and never were. And there are countless ways the projects we know could have been different.

This thread may be used for discussion, especially in relation to any posted timelines. However, there is a dedicated discussion thread for the topic, should one feel more comfortable posting there. In posting any timeline projects, please ensure that they are of good quality. It may also be best to discuss them in the discussion thread, though this is not required.
 
The Batman(1968)
Directed by Arthur Penn
Written by David Newman and Robert Benton
Cinematography by Burnett Guffey
Music Composed by Charles Strouse
A Warner Brothers Production

Starring:
Steve McQueen as Bruce Wayne/The Batman
Warren Beatty as Assistant District Attorney Harvey Dent
Faye Dunaway as Vicky Vale
Gene Hackman as Detective James Gordon
Anthony Hopkins as Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot
Al Pacino as Salvatore "The Boss" Maroni
David Niven as Alfred Pennyworth


The film opens with the almost mythical origin story of Batman. Young Bruce Wayne's parents are murdered at the hands of a small-time crook as he attempts to mug them while leaving a movie theater. Bruce is traumatized by the event being powerless to stop the criminal. He vows to avenge their deaths by dedicating his mind and body to stopping crime in Gotham City to his butler and surrogate father Alfred Pennyworth(David Niven). A short montage is shown detailing this transformation including Bruce graduating with the highest honors, travelling the world learning various martial arts, and becoming an accomplished race car driver.

Flash forward as Bruce(Steve McQueen) returns to Gotham City to take control of his family's corporation Wayne Enterprises. Bruce learns from his old friend, Harvey Dent(Warren Beatty), who rose to Assistant District Attorney that he is losing out to rampant corruption within the Justice Department and the Police Department of Gotham. He reveals that Gotham has been embroiled in an intense gang war between the Italian mafia led by Sal Maroni(Al Pacino) and the Penguin mob led by the aristocratic Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot(Anthony Hopkins). The unpredictable and sadistic Sal has taken control of the family from his father who was recently murdered by the Penguin. Bruce dressed in disguise ventures into Gotham's criminal underground in order to gain some more intelligence. Bruce stumbles upon a confrontation of Maroni and the Penguin's men unintentionally bringing himself into the conflict. Bruce manages to take several of them out before he is overwhelmed and is badly beaten by members of both gangs.

Awoken later by a detective, James "Jim" Gordon(Gene Hackman), not recognizing Bruce as anyone familiar he questions his motives of being in the area. Through this conversation Bruce learns that Det. Gordon is a good honest cop trying to make a difference in the corrupted police force. In the middle of the conversation Bruce disappears while Gordon is momentarily distracted. Afterwards Bruce makes his way to Wayne Enterprises for his first day as CEO. Bruce is shown to be very withdrawn from the dullness of the work. Until he stumbles upon the Research and Development section. Where he finds prototypes for armor, weapons, and an experimental race car(a custom built Ford GT40). Another montage is shown of Bruce converting the prototypes into his well known Batsuit, Batarangs, Grappling Hook, and Batmobile. Before converting a cave under his mansion into the Batcave. Bruce then sets out on his first night as the Batman.

He manages to find himself another conflict between the warring gangs. This time fully prepared as Batman he manages to take out both parties with utter ruthlessness. On the verge of killing one of the assailants Bruce has a flashback of a conversation with Alfred. In which Alfred assures him of his need to avenge his parents but that he must be careful of how far he will go that he may become the criminals he intends to stop. Bruce realizing his role releases the criminal as sirens begin to close in on the scene of the conflict. The next day, news media outlets surround the Gotham P.D. questioning the events of the conflict, included is star reporter Vicky Vale(Faye Dunaway). Everyone wants to know who it is that all the gang-members insist captured them and left them for the police.

Batman continues his war on both criminal organizations while the police increasingly push against him. This culminates in an exciting car chase through Gotham's overpasses and dimly lit streets. Through Batman's deductive prowess he manages to find a link between both The Penguin and Sal Maroni, the District Attorney. Batman sets up a meeting between himself, Detective Gordon, and ADA Harvey Dent to discuss a proposal. He also meets with reporter Vale whose also been investigating the DA. Batman learns that a meeting between the DA and both criminals will be taking place due to his interference in their organizations. The two rivals have decided on a truce to fight the common enemy of the Batman. Batman crashes the meeting with an epic fight between him and the two gangs. Detective Gordon and the GCPD arrive just in time for the DA and Maroni to confess to their crimes. The two are arrested while Batman pursues the Penguin who had escaped during the initial battle. Armed with his signature umbrella gun Penguin puts up a fight before Batman finally subdues him for the GCPD.

The next day Gordon and Dent take credit for the sting and deny the existence of the Batman. Vale breaks the story as well collaborating with Gordon and Dent's claims. Dent becomes DA and Maroni is set to go on trial. The Penguin is sentenced to Arkham Asylum. Batman finds there are still more and worse criminals to fight. Just before the credits roll Maroni and the Penguin are shown separately holding up a Joker card.



I'll upload a post on the production and cultural impact of the film tomorrow. Please let me know what you think here or in the discussion thread. I got a lot less detailed toward the end of this synopsis sorry.
 
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Batman (1966)

In the wake of the vietnam war and civil rights discontent, American optimism was on the wane as blithely social commentary took up the airweaves. Batman, believe it or not, was originally set out as a highly parodical comedy complete with cartoon sound effects. But then Sci Fi masterworker Don Siegel stepped in to manage the upcoming TV and Movie franchise. Siegel's arrival initially didn't sit well with former producer Will Dozier (who was only familiar with Siegel's Invasion of the Body Snatchers), but Siegel dissuaded fears by stating that he had no intentions of messing with the Caped Crusader's character.

Production of the movie started without haste, with a decent budget cautiously handed over. Initially, the casting of Batman went to former linebacker Mike Henry (who was set to star in a CBS produced show in 1964), but a serious spinal injury caused him to bow out. Soon after, bit actor Lyle Waggoner replaced him. Eyes then turned to the joker, and the producers were extremely excited when lounge singer Frank Sinatra announced that he was interested in playing the clown prince of crime. Against the wishes of Siegel (who wished for a lesser known actor to play the part), ABC lobbied heavily for Sinatra to be cast, and he soon did.

Rounding out the cast was Peter Dellyer as Robin, Alan Napier as Alfred, and William Holden as Commissioner Gordon. Feminist leaders like Gloria Steinem protested the lack of women in the production, though the inclusion of Julie Newmar's Catwoman in the sequel was seen as a positive step.

Despite fears of a clash between the notoriously short tempered Sinatra and the rest of the cast, the real battle took place in the boardrooms as Siegel constantly fought the ever impatient producers, who wanted to camp it up further and further. One production note actually asked Siegel to include a scene where Batman battles a shark. Really. Siegel got away with ignoring these requests, as both Waggoner and Sinatra threatened to leave if Siegel did.

Siegel decided to base his movie's storyline on the comic strip Batman #1, as its plot was generally straightforward. Sinatra's joker brought an odd suave gangster feel to the role that many would attempt to duplicate in the future, and Waggoner made the Dark Knight seem much more like an actual detective, rather than a superhero. This direction continues to split fans as some decry the percieved 'mundane-ing' of the character, while others support Batman getting down to earth and fighting crime by solving mysteries.

Sinatra considered doing the songs for the film's soundtrack, but Siegel felt that it would be too much, so he simply brought in the crew from Gunsmoke, a popular western.

While the murders in the finished product were considered fairly shocking by the audience at the time, an original draft of the script (leaked fourteen years later) planned to have them covered in much more graphic detail. While Siegel was intrigued, he had to can it as he was aware that the higher ups would've had a heart attack at the idea.

The film opened to massive critical and commercial success. 'Batman', wrote the New York Times' Bosley Crowther, 'rejects the idea that superheroes are bound to the realm of comedy. It shows that even comic books can handle the right mix of drama and comedy.' Comic book fans were satisfied, as the movie reflected the growing serious nature of its paper counterpart. Kids were impressed by the action, and everyone got a good laugh out of Sinatra.

Trivia:
The scene where the Joker dresses up as a police officer was reportedly Sinatra's favourite.
/Trivia

Perhaps stretching a few things, but I'm still pretty happy with how this turned out.
 
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Batman Rises (2007)
Director: Robert Rodriguez
Producer: Robert Rodriquez, Frank Miller
Writer: Frank Miller (credit) Screenplay by David Hayter

Staring:
Ron Perlman as Batman/Bruce Wayne
Nicholas Cage as The Joker
Ellen Page as Carrie Kelly
Christopher Lee as Alfred Pennyworth
Morgan Freeman as Commissioner Gordon
Sam Worthington as the Mutant Leader
Carrie-Anne Moss as Ellen Yindel

Shortly after the release of Superman:Returns (1) WB decided to move forward on adapting its other major DC hero, Batman. From nearly the onset Director Robert Rodriguez was attached to the film which was intended to be a darker more grounded take on the hero. Rodriquez also lobbied hard to have the film be an adaption of Frank Miller's work with the character, given their history after working together on Sin City. Originally plans were to adapt the Year One story to tie in with the new young Superman film. However plans were later changed to take on the more recognizable story The Dark Knight Returns. David Hayter was also attached to the project in order to adapt the screenplay after his success in bringing a more realistic X-Men to screen.

Efforts were made to separate this project from the previous adaptations by having Batman be portrayed as an older man, retired from his life of crime fighting only to be drawn back in, thus many of the characters were deliberately depicted as much older than the traditional view. Ron Perlman was cast as the lead hero, both due to the actor's physical size matching Miller's interpretation and to make Batman seem gruffer and more cynical(2). Christopher Lee fresh off his role as Saurman in the widely successful Lord of the Rings was given the role as Alfred Pennyworth. Lastly Morgan Freeman was chosen to portray Batman's traditional ally in the Police Force as Commissioner Gordon, a choice that sparked off a minor controversy as Gordon is Caucasian in the comics (3 ). In order to play Batman's arch foe, The Joker, Nicholas Cage was picked due to the actor's impressive audition and helped to give the Joker a manic energy that had shades of Jack Nicholson's take on the character in the 1989 film (4).

Several new characters were also being depicted for the first time on the big screen. Carrie Kelly, the new Robin, was shopped around to many young actresses before going to Juno star Ellen Page. The Mutant Leader whose actions drive Batman out of his retirement was given to young Sam Worthington on the condition he gain 20 pounds of muscle in order to better fit the massive character (5). Carrie-Anne Moss of Matrix fame was later cast as the no nonsense assistant commissioner Ellen Yindel.

The film's plot was largely an direct adaption of the Graphic Novel, with several changes made to save on time or in order to allow for possible sequels. The story opens on Bruce Wayne, older and retired dealing with an increasing distaste for the state of Gotham after he stopped acting as its protector. A new gang has taken power in the city, ruled by the charismatic leader. After seeing a news broadcast about a botched Mutant kidnapping that lead to the deaths of a young boy, combined with the late movie being Mask of Zorro (6), Batman returns to his suit and takes to the night (7). Batman's actions attract the attention of the Mutant Leader who has his gang take over the airways in order to issue an open challenge to Batman. Batman is able to easily defeat the Mutants but is nearly overcome by the Mutant Leader, and must be saved by Carrie Kelly. After returning to the cave Batman realizes his error in trying to fight the Mutant Leader one on one. Meanwhile Commissioner Gordon is being challenged by his inability to handle the Mutant Leader, and faces pressure to step down due to his closeness to Batman.

Knowing that he'd never truly break the Mutants if the Leader can claim to have beaten Batman, Bruce tricks the gang into having a meet-up where he manages to break out the Leader and using his superior training Batman is able to publicly cripple him. This however is the final straw for the Commissioner who is made to step down in favor of Yindel, who promises to take Batman in no matter what (8). The news that Batman is back in Gotham also reaches Arkham Asylum, and the Joker, who'd been unresponsive once he realized Batman had retired. With renewed energy Joker is able to trick his doctors into believing he is sane, and even talks them into letting him on a talk show. Once on the show Joker reveals his true nature and attacks the audience, using a special gas he had former henchmen hide in the vents (9). Batman hurries to the scene but misses the Joker, and has to fight his way free of the SWAT team that had just arrived, unfortunately he is wounded in the process. Tracking the Joker down to an amusement park he finds the Joker handing out poisoned cotton candy with several of his henchmen. While he chases the Joker, Carrie is left to fight Joker's gang (10). Finally finding the Joker in the Tunnel of Love the two engage in what could be their final battle. At first the Joker seems to be gaining the upper-hand, but Batman reveals that he's been holding back all this time out of fear of killing someone. A fear he no longer has with the Joker. Knocking him to the ground he begins to savagely beat his foe, until the police arrive driving him off. The Joker is found alive, but in bad shape (11) (12).

Batman now an outlaw returns to his cave with Carrie to contemplate the future. The scene cuts to several days later where Batman is brooding on a rooftop over looking the alley where his parents were killed when a shadow falls over his face. Batman says "[he] knew you'd come" when a voice response that "they need to talk." and the camera pans to show Brandon Routh as Superman (13 )

Notes:
(1) this timeline is based on the idea that Superman Returns is a much larger success which WB intends to take advantage of.
(2) Perlman will joke that they didn't want anyone pretty this time.
(3 ) Freeman will write an editorial about the controversy talking about letting skill not race determine who should play what role. The whole thing dies down after the movie comes out.
(4) Cage will also take great delight in acting this way when the cameras stop rolling causing several crew to publicly voice concerns over the actor's mental wellness.
(5) He'd end up over shooting by about 10 pounds.
(6) inter spaced were flashbacks to a nearly soundless retelling of Batman's parents' deaths. Rodriguez would later state on the commentary that he didn't really think people needed to be told all this due to the character's popularity in the public eye, stating it'd be like "showing Superman was from space all the time. People should know this already"
(7) The following montage of Batman fighting criminals as well as Ellen Page's first appearance would draw great praise mainly due to the tight editing and the sense of weight to Batman's actions.
(8) Unknown to her much of the pressure comes from fears about Batman turning his attention to the corruption in the city's government.
(9) The Dollmaker from the comic is largely replaced by generic henchmen to save time and to keep the story more grounded.
(10) Page was really excited about the fight scene as she hadn't done an action scene before. The fighting style focused more on the use of weight and leverage over the more common acrobatic style many female action stars use.
(11) Plans were to originally have the Joker die like in the comic, but WB changed them to allow the Joker to be used for other projects. It also kept the movie from getting an R rating.
(12) Cage was originally meant to have lines, but the make up for his swollen face and missing teeth limited his ablity to talk. Instead he resorted to laughing, which was considered one of the more chilling moments.
(13 ) yes WB and DC get a slight jump on the shared universe before Marvel but only barely as Iron Man 1 would come out and hint at the Avengers films later the next year. DC would still have the first official team up movie with World's Finest in 2009, as well as the first female lead superhero movie with Wonder Woman in 2011. The full Justice League film however wouldn't hit until the summer after the Avengers team up.
 
Batman II (1969)

The studio reluctantly handed majority control over the sequel to Siegel. Siegel's scriptwriters had a tough job moderating the odd ideas coming from the director's office. By the following year, the outline for 'Batman 2' had been made.

Siegel and his team had trouble trying to one-up the popularity of Sinatra's Joker. A laundry list of possibilities were considered, from an outing for the riddler to a crossover with Superman. Finally, the writers agreed that Two-Face (aka Harvey Dent) would be the villain and that Catwoman would costar in an 'anti hero' role.

Clint Eastwood, who had been considering running for office at the time due to a lull in his career, signed on to the project in what is considered a coup de grace for Siegel. On the special effects for Dent's face, Siegel simply got the effects designers from past special effects designers on CBS' Star Trek, going over each revision with Eastwood personally. The second movie actually incited controversy when it was revealed that Dent was a TV news reporter rather than a crime fighting District Attorney, as comic book fans wrote to the director protesting this decision. While the finished product satisfied many fans, some were annoyed that this new backstory seeped into certain comics.

The role of Catwoman was highly coveted, with actresses ranging from Audrey Hepburn to Janet Leigh being considered. Ultimately, Don't Make Waves star Julie Newmar was cast by Siegel, who enjoyed her audition. Catwoman was written is a sort of sympathetic light as a woman who felt guilt about what she did, and also as a potential love interest for the conflicted Bruce Wayne, who gets a lot more focus in this movie as the writers weren't bound to the story of one particular comic strip. At the behest of Waggoner, a scene concerning Wayne's 'no kill rule' was written in, but never included in the final cut.

Eastwood brought his trademark stoicness to the role of Two-Face, something that many commentators felt made the character even more tragic. His dependence on the coin was emphasised in this production, and there's even a scene where he breaks down because the coin lands on its edge. And despite being a 'new' version of the character, Two-Face was played very close to the original as portrayed in the comics.

While seeming a bit less 'fun' than the original, despite a cameo from the Joker, II only did slightly worse at the box office, but the studios were still concered about the direction the franchise was going in due to Siegel...
 
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(13 ) yes WB and DC get a slight jump on the shared universe before Marvel but only barely as Iron Man 1 would come out and hint at the Avengers films later the next year. DC would still have the first official team up movie with World's Finest in 2009, as well as the first female lead superhero movie with Wonder Woman in 2011. The full Justice League film however wouldn't hit until the summer after the Avengers team up.
I'd love to see a thread exploring this DCU, are you considering doing more?
 
I'd love to see a thread exploring this DCU, are you considering doing more?
From time to time. What I'd really love to do is some sort of fictional version of AT4W sort of timeline where I could examine alt-comics and movies without having to pour hours into research into the background of the making of each of them. I'm just not sure about timing, and I really don't have that many ideas to keep it going for more than a few posts.
 
From time to time. What I'd really love to do is some sort of fictional version of AT4W sort of timeline where I could examine alt-comics and movies without having to pour hours into research into the background of the making of each of them. I'm just not sure about timing, and I really don't have that many ideas to keep it going for more than a few posts.
I respect that. Would you notify me if you do so? I'd love to read more
 
Batman (1984)
writers: Tom Mankewicks and Sam Hamm
Director: Joe Dante
Producer: Michael Uslan and Richard Donnor
Cast:
Ray Liotta as Bruce Wayne/Batman
John Lithgow as The Joker
Peter O'toole as The Penguin *
Jamie Lee Curtis as Silver St Cloud
Patrick McNee as Alfred Pennyworth
Albert Brooks as Rupert Thorn
Michael McCarthy as Commissioner James Gordon
Josh Brolin as Dick Grayson/Robin
Robert Picardo as Harvey Dent
Dick Miller as Joe Chill


* going by Mankewicks original script and notes Penguin differs from his comic counterpart as an assassin who is called The Penguin because of a genetic condition where he has to be in cold temperatures (like Mr. Freeze) and Peter O'toole was approached with the role before Dante was hired to direct
 
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Batman (1980)
Writers- Francis Ford Coppola and Robert Towne
Director - Fransis Ford Coppola
Producer - Richard Donner
Cast:
Batman/Bruce Wayne - John Travolta
The Joker - Willem Dafoe
Sal Maroni - Al Pacino
Alfred Pennyworth - David Niven
Lucius Fox - Sidney Poitier
Harvey Dent - Robert DiNero
Selina Kyle - Sigourney Weaver
Lt. James Gordon - Jack Nicholson
Superman/Clark Kent - Christopher Reeves
 
Batman (1980)
Writers- Francis Ford Coppola and Robert Towne
Director - Fransis Ford Coppola
Producer - Richard Donner
Cast:
Batman/Bruce Wayne - John Travolta
The Joker - Willem Dafoe
Sal Maroni - Al Pacino
Alfred Pennyworth - David Niven
Lucius Fox - Sidney Poitier
Harvey Dent - Robert DiNero
Selina Kyle - Sigourney Weaver
Lt. James Gordon - Jack Nicholson
Superman/Clark Kent - Christopher Reeves
I can dig it. What are you thinking on tone? Would it feel closer to the Superman films? Or are you going for a Crime movie vibe with tights? If so, more Godfather romantic or Mean Streets realistic?
 
I can dig it. What are you thinking on tone? Would it feel closer to the Superman films? Or are you going for a Crime movie vibe with tights? If so, more Godfather romantic or Mean Streets realistic?
I was thinking Chinatown meets Superman. So like a very gritty realistic crime story, pushing the PG rating to its limits. Then Superman shows up after everything and stares down Batman to let him know if he ever goes to far that he will be coming to stop him. It's a set up for a Worlds Finest movie. And in Batman 2 I would cast Michael J Fox as Robin/Dick Grayson
 
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