Since many people have asked for one, here is my interpretation of a map of the world of TL-191 as of 2024:
Amazing map!, that said however, it has some minor mistakes, so I have decided to do a quick fix/update for the map, including patching out its border color, since its coastline and borders have the same colors, which makes it confusing:Since many people have asked for one, here is my interpretation of a map of the world of TL-191 as of 2024:
By 2023, the German Empire includes Sierra Leone [OTL Sierra Leone], Togoland [OTL Togo], and Elfenbeinkuste [OTL Côte d'Ivoire]. The German Empire also controls Saint Helena, Ascension Island, the Tristan da Cunha Islands, Zanzibar, Pemba, Comoros, Mauritius, the Chagos Archipelago, Maore [OTL Mayotte], and Samoa. The German Empire also has a territorial claim in Antarctica.
By 2023, the Austro-Hungarian Empire includes Malta, Reunion, and Seychelles. The Austro-Hungarian Empire also has a territorial claim in Antarctica.
Gibraltar is jointly controlled by the German Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
By 2023, the German Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Empire also have a permanent presence on the Moon and maintain space stations that orbit the Earth.
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By 2023, all of the nations of the German Economic Association have the Kaiser as their head of state, though almost all nations of the German Economic Association also have political factions opposed to having this kind of official political connection to the German Empire.
Looking that map an idea crossed my mind which is the victorious powers would have forced Great Britain to federalise in to England,Scotland and Wales to weaken them even moreSince many people have asked for one, here is my interpretation of a map of the world of TL-191 as of 2024:
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Looking that map an idea crossed my mind which is the victorious powers would have forced Great Britain to federalise in to England,Scotland and Wales to weaken them even more
Great, thanks for making those fixes! That's a pretty definitive map of what the world would look like halfway through the 2020s, I'd say. The one thing that should probably be changed is the Central Asian borders so as not to match the ones that the USSR drew up in OTL, but I'm not knowledgeable enough about the region's demographics just yet.Amazing map!, that said however, it has some minor mistakes, so I have decided to do a quick fix/update for the map, including patching out its border color, since its coastline and borders have the same colors, which makes it confusing:
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I will make a quick fix using the Russian Empire's Turkestan borders later in the day!Great, thanks for making those fixes! That's a pretty definitive map of what the world would look like halfway through the 2020s, I'd say. The one thing that should probably be changed is the Central Asian borders so as not to match the ones that the USSR drew up in OTL, but I'm not knowledgeable enough about the region's demographics just yet.
@David bar Elias Can you explain how the Congo became a strong regional power if not the most powerful non-European controlled country in Africa despite suffering two genocides each worse then the other within the span of two centuries. It would make more sense if it was explained how they achieved this renaissance, even though there’s no indication they rank anymore highly than in our time in education, healthcare, and economic growth.
How did the Congolese Federation become the dominant power in Africa?
Alright, as promised, I have made the borders of Central Asia using the borders of Russian Turkestan, the ethnic Kazakh-inhabited regions of the Russian Empire, and giving minor alterations in order for the borders to be ethnically consistent (i.e. why would Samarkand be independent from Bukhara if it was already majority Uzbek?), so that these countries are roughly the exact same Central Asian countries of OTL, but with different borders and names, critiques and thoughts from David bar Elias is now awaited:Great, thanks for making those fixes! That's a pretty definitive map of what the world would look like halfway through the 2020s, I'd say. The one thing that should probably be changed is the Central Asian borders so as not to match the ones that the USSR drew up in OTL, but I'm not knowledgeable enough about the region's demographics just yet.
Alright, as promised, I have made the borders of Central Asia using the borders of Russian Turkestan, the ethnic Kazakh-inhabited regions of the Russian Empire, and giving minor alterations in order for the borders to be ethnically consistent (i.e. why would Samarkand be independent from Bukhara if it was already majority Uzbek?), so that these countries are roughly the exact same Central Asian countries of OTL, but with different borders and names, critiques and thoughts from David bar Elias is now awaited:
Thank you!, this is really personal to me, because TL-191 is the work of alternate history that properly got me into alternate history to begin with, and you have been running this timeline since I was 10 years old!This is an excellent map. Thank you to you and Lochnessmoonster for putting these maps together.
Thank you!, this is really personal to me, because TL-191 is the work of alternate history that properly got me into alternate history to begin with, and you have been running this timeline since I was 10 years old!
Also, since you have no more objections to the map, does this means that Kazakhstan is not landlocked, and the smaller oblasts of Russian Turkestan (i.e. Samarkhand) do not exist as independent?, since this is a radically different Russian-Kazakh border than the one portrayed in other maps of your TL.
Excellent work! Northern Kazakhstan and its Caspian coastline should be transferred to Russia, but aside from that, you have perfected the map.Alright, as promised, I have made the borders of Central Asia using the borders of Russian Turkestan, the ethnic Kazakh-inhabited regions of the Russian Empire, and giving minor alterations in order for the borders to be ethnically consistent (i.e. why would Samarkand be independent from Bukhara if it was already majority Uzbek?), so that these countries are roughly the exact same Central Asian countries of OTL, but with different borders and names, critiques and thoughts from David bar Elias is now awaited:
Would this include Texas being re-admitted into the US?, because I have a vague COVID-era memory of Turtledove on Twitter saying that Texas was re-admitted to the US after 1945, can anyone in here please correct me if I am fever dreaming?There are admittedly a number of things that would have to be changed in a reboot of the timeline.
Fantastic!, I have added your map to the World Maps for Alternate History Timelines and Works on this Forum Thread.Excellent work! Northern Kazakhstan and its Caspian coastline should be transferred to Russia, but aside from that, you have perfected the map.
Here is the final version of the map, including border changes from the Russo-Kazakh War:
For Central Asia, the map that athgtq16129 and I created presents the territories of the Emirate of Bukhara, the Khanate of Khiva, Fergana Oblast, and Semirechye Oblast (could also be called Kyrgyzstan) as independent nations. Although Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan are still around, countries that you have mentioned earlier in TTL such as Uzbekistan and Tajikistan would not have existed. If this map is canon, would this part of the timeline and these countries be considered retconned?I think perhaps the only minor change to the map might be Kazakhstan losing its Caspian Sea coastline to the Russian Republic in the Russo-Kazakh War.
While I didn’t specify the Central Asian borders as you showed on this map in the timeline itself, I think this map is a more accurate political division in terms of imagining nations that gained independence from a longer-lasting Russian Empire.
There are admittedly a number of things that would have to be changed in a reboot of the timeline.
I think the only thing that missing on this map is all of Samoa belonging to Germany.Excellent work! Northern Kazakhstan and its Caspian coastline should be transferred to Russia, but aside from that, you have perfected the map.
Here is the final version of the map, including border changes from the Russo-Kazakh War: View attachment 905139
Also, I think the French-Italian border is wrong. It's the same as OTL 2024. Italy's border should be several miles west I believe. I could be wrong on that though.As of TTL’s 2020, Samoa in its entirety is still part of the German Empire, although there are growing calls from some residents for greater autonomy from Berlin.
For Central Asia, the map that athgtq16129 and I created presents the territories of the Emirate of Bukhara, the Khanate of Khiva, Fergana Oblast, and Semirechye Oblast (could also be called Kyrgyzstan) as independent nations. Although Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan are still around, countries that you have mentioned earlier in TTL such as Uzbekistan and Tajikistan would not have existed. If this map is canon, would this part of the timeline and these countries be considered retconned?
Are drones and railguns in common use in the militaries ITTL 2024? What kind of sci-fi technologies are being developed to fight threats from outer space?
The French-Italian border was modelled after how it appeared in 1914, which is mostly the same as it is now in OTL. Some maps of TL-191 show Italy having more French territory through annexation, but I didn't include that because I don't recall any purchase being mentioned ITTL.I think the only thing that missing on this map is all of Samoa belonging to Germany.
Also, I think the French-Italian border is wrong. It's the same as OTL 2024. Italy's border should be several miles west I believe. I could be wrong on that though.