Sir John Valentine Carden Survives. Part 2.

We shall have to see how the Soviets respond to the tanks. It might be worth switching factories from A15 and A22 production to Valiant production, should the Soviets show a clear preference for that tank.
 
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As much as I dislike the USSR they need to be kept in the fight to allow for the British to secure NA and eventually push into Europe when the time is right.
The problems of shipping weren’t Carden’s problem, but it would certainly be a massive headache for somebody.
Somewhere in the admiralty, there is a poor man crying clutching a bottle of rotgut.

Pitty this poor man.

Though on a more serious note with more victories in the desert and the lack of the need to rapidly shift replacements in both men and material to NA it means a lot of tonnages has been freed up to move stuff to Russia or across the Atlantic as well as the escorts needed.

Heck Britain isn't in as desperate straights as it was OTL so its in a much better postions, militarily, diplomatically and resource wise.
 
Though on a more serious note with more victories in the desert and the lack of the need to rapidly shift replacements in both men and material to NA it means a lot of tonnages has been freed up to move stuff to Russia or across the Atlantic as well as the escorts needed.
Or to shift east to Singapore. There's also a number of warships still in service that were either sunk of damaged OTL which haven't been OTL, both thanks to the Germans giving up on Crete, and also to the lack of need to make resupply runs to Malta from Gibraltar.

Heck Britain isn't in as desperate straights as it was OTL so its in a much better postions, militarily, diplomatically and resource wise.
Yep. And worse for the Axis, especially Japan.
 
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So only the vickers were properly prepared for the voyage - so they will shine all the brighter in contrast
 
Valentines with 75mm were historically so well-liked by the Soviets that they were kept in production specifically for Lend-Lease purposes.
 
Given the attached experts from the factory and Bovington respectively it should probably help feedback input for how the tanks deal with Russian weather though off the top of my head I think they would have to look at additives to put in the lube oil used in the tank engines so it doesn't cause if the engine is sat off for too long. Aside from that problem will probably come if the engines are kept cold for to long in Russia's condtions.
 
Especially when they start getting units shipped to them with the Mk II turret sans gun. They'll be able to claim it is a Russian Tank because it is fitted with a Russian Gun ... they'll even be able to do propaganda films with the Soviet Working Man fitting the F-34 76mm gun or maybe they'll try to fit the ZiS-2 57mm Anti-Tank gun to it.
 
Especially when they start getting units shipped to them with the Mk II turret sans gun. They'll be able to claim it is a Russian Tank because it is fitted with a Russian Gun ... they'll even be able to do propaganda films with the Soviet Working Man fitting the F-34 76mm gun or maybe they'll try to fit the ZiS-2 57mm Anti-Tank gun to it.
It's a 64" turret ring right? They could even try a proto 85mm.
 
My recollection is that the majority of Valentine's made in Canada were eventually allocated to the USSR eventually providing almost 1,400 total tanks.

It will be interesting to see how that industrial capacity will be allocated by Allan in his fantastic storyline....
 

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Given the attached experts from the factory and Bovington respectively it should probably help feedback input for how the tanks deal with Russian weather though off the top of my head I think they would have to look at additives to put in the lube oil used in the tank engines so it doesn't cause if the engine is sat off for too long. Aside from that problem will probably come if the engines are kept cold for to long in Russia's condtions.
Motor oil detergents was pretty much a post war development
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and other additives later, like for mult-grade, thinner in cold, thicken as engine heated up. Oil with Detergents and Dispersants was best for full filtration, many older engines just sent a partial flow of oil thru a brass screen, so not a whole lot of filtration besides relatively huge chunks of engine and bearing fragments. More a strainer than a real filter.
Most WWII Oils were not much different from straight Mineral Oil, but there was some Zinc, Molybdenum, Phosphorus and other Sulfur compounds for anti-wear properties in some brands
With single grade Oils, base stock Crude could have different amount of wax content, that causes the Oil to gel up in colder weather
 
Personally, I would be in favour of the OTL Valiants accidentally ending up swapped via ISOT with those TTL Valiants which end up swapped east. Or at least the Valiants which they test there having serious previously undetected defects, that ensure that the soviets end up asking for Nuffield tanks instead.
 
Motor oil detergents was pretty much a post war development
View attachment 730676 and other additives later, like for mult-grade, thinner in cold, thicken as engine heated up. Oil with Detergents and Dispersants was best for full filtration, many older engines just sent a partial flow of oil thru a brass screen, so not a whole lot of filtration besides relatively huge chunks of engine and bearing fragments. More a strainer than a real filter.
Most WWII Oils were not much different from straight Mineral Oil, but there was some Zinc, Molybdenum, Phosphorus and other Sulfur compounds for anti-wear properties in some brands
With single grade Oils, base stock Crude could have different amount of wax content, that causes the Oil to gel up in colder weather
I have not seen one of those oil cans for ages. We found a spout for those oil cans and the young mechanics did not know what it was for.
 

marathag

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I have not seen one of those oil cans for ages. We found a spout for those oil cans and the young mechanics did not know what it was for.
I feel it.
Had to explain what this can puncher in one of my toolboxes was for, not too long ago
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Young whippersnappers, nowadays....
 
I can just about remember my dad drinking beer from cans which had to be opened with those.
Ah, Watney's Party Seven and similar from other brewers. Takes me back to student parties in the 1970s. BYOB, cheap Hirondelle (?) British "wine" made from grape concentrates. Blue Nun and Black Tower as the "sophisticated" choice of the relatively well heeled.

Not particularly nostalgic for them mind you. Or at least not the booze, clothes and food. The music and female company maybe.
 
Ah, Watney's Party Seven and similar from other brewers. Takes me back to student parties in the 1970s. BYOB, cheap Hirondelle (?) British "wine" made from grape concentrates. Blue Nun and Black Tower as the "sophisticated" choice of the relatively well heeled.

Not particularly nostalgic for them mind you. Or at least not the booze, clothes and food. The music and female company maybe.
Party sevens and party fours - we have, indeed, progressed in some ways.
 
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