List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

[IsaacXII]

Great work! Suggestion for a tree: Juan posthumous child is born alive and a boy names Juan after his father.

Juan, Prince of Asturias and Girona ( 1477 -1498) m. Margaret of Austria (1480-1530)

1. Juan III of Castile, Aragon, II of Sicily, I of Naples (1498 -1550) m. Eleanor of Austria

a. Stillborn son (1518)​

b. Fernando VI of Spain (1520- 1560) m. Maria of Portugal (1521 -1552)​

c. Isabel of Spain (1523-1545) m. Maximilian II. HRE​

d. Juan, II of Naples, III of Sicily (1526 -1555) m. ??​

e. Miscarriage (1530)​

f. Miscarriage (1531)​

g. Alfonso, (1535-1571) Church ​

 

[IsaacXII]

Her brother lived longer?

Her younger brother did. Edward VI of England, born 1518.

 

[Dragonboy]

Juan, Prince of Asturias and Girona ( 1477 -1498) m. Margaret of Austria (1480-1530)

1. Juan III of Castile, Aragon, II of Sicily, I of Naples (1498 -1550) m. Eleanor of Austria

a. Stillborn son (1518)​

b. Fernando VI of Spain (1520- 1560) m. Maria of Portugal (1521 -1552)​

c. Isabel of Spain (1523-1545) m. Maximilian II. HRE​

d. Juan, II of Naples, III of Sicily (1526 -1555) m. ??​

e. Miscarriage (1530)​

f. Miscarriage (1531)​

g. Alfonso, (1535-1571) Church ​

Great work! And u assume Margaret was regent for him in castile after Isabel died.

 

[IsaacXII]

Great work! And u assume Margaret was regent for him in castile after Isabel died.

Yup... Isabel couldn't trust anyone better than her daughter in law

 

[Dragonboy]

Yup... Isabel couldn't trust anyone better than her daughter in law

Amen to that.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Maria of Portugal (1521 -1552)

her mother was Eleanor....

 

[HortenseMancini]

I don't often make forays into 19th century genealogies but...here ya go. POD is the survival of Elizabeth of Clarence, the younger daughter of William IV and Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen.

Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom (Elizabeth Georgiana Adelaide; 1820-?) m. William of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Prince Consort (William Charles/Wilhelm Karl; 1819-?) [1] in 1838, had issue

1) Adelaide, Princess Royal (Adelaide Victoria Mary; b. 1840) [2] m. Alexander II, King of the Netherlands (1840-?) [3]​

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2) William V, King of England, etc. (William Henry; b. 1841) m. Anna of Hesse and by Rhine (1842/1843-1865) in 1864, had issue (a); Alexandrine of Prussia (1842-?) in 1866, had issue (b)​

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3) Louisa (Louisa Ida Georgiana; b. 1843) m. Frederick VIII, King of Denmark (1843-?)​

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4) Charles, Duke of Clarence (Charles Edward Augustus; b. 1845) m. Lady Edith Campbell (1849-?)​

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5) George, Duke of Kendal (George Arthur Charles; b. 1848) [4] m. Elisabeth Sibylle of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (1854-?)​

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6) Amelia (Amelia Charlotte Augusta Sophia; b. 1850) m. Ernst August II, King of Hanover (1845-?)​

[1] IOTL he died unmarried at the age of 20, but ITTL I can’t imagine Adelaide not pushing him towards her daughter.
[2] Named for her mother’s dear cousin Alexandrina Victoria of Kent.
[3] Alexander II is the ATL son of Sophie of Württemberg and Alexander of the Netherlands, who rules as King Alexander I ITTL because his brother Willem dies early.
[4] No reason why the Duke of Wellington can’t be his godfather like he was to Prince Arthur IOTL…

 

[Dragonboy]

I don't often make forays into 19th century genealogies but...here ya go. POD is the survival of Elizabeth of Clarence, the younger daughter of William IV and Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen.

Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom (Elizabeth Georgiana Adelaide; 1820-?) m. William of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Prince Consort (William Charles/Wilhelm Karl; 1819-?) [1] in 1838, had issue

1) Adelaide, Princess Royal (Adelaide Victoria Mary; b. 1840) [2] m. Alexander II, King of the Netherlands (1840-?) [3]​

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2) William V, King of England, etc. (William Henry; b. 1841) m. Anna of Hesse and by Rhine (1842/1843-1865) in 1864, had issue (a); Alexandrine of Prussia (1842-?) in 1866, had issue (b)​

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3) Louisa (Louisa Ida Georgiana; b. 1843) m. Frederick VIII, King of Denmark (1843-?)​

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4) Charles, Duke of Clarence (Charles Edward Augustus; b. 1845) m. Lady Edith Campbell (1849-?)​

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5) George, Duke of Kendal (George Arthur Charles; b. 1848) [4] m. Elisabeth Sibylle of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (1854-?)​

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6) Amelia (Amelia Charlotte Augusta Sophia; b. 1850) m. Ernst August II, King of Hanover (1845-?)​

[1] IOTL he died unmarried at the age of 20, but ITTL I can’t imagine Adelaide not pushing him towards her daughter.
[2] Named for her mother’s dear cousin Alexandrina Victoria of Kent.
[3] Alexander II is the ATL son of Sophie of Württemberg and Alexander of the Netherlands, who rules as King Alexander I ITTL because his brother Willem dies early.
[4] No reason why the Duke of Wellington can’t be his godfather like he was to Prince Arthur IOTL…

Great work, and would Victoria and Albert still marry? with albert succeding his brother on the duchy?

 

[HortenseMancini]

Great work, and would Victoria and Albert still marry? with albert succeding his brother on the duchy?

Right now I have other plans for Victoria...I may share those as well!

 

[Dragonboy]

Right now I have other plans for Victoria...I may share those as well!

Please do! And suggestion: Albert victor, eldest son of Edward VII, surives to marry mary of teck and succed his father as Edward VIII

 

[IsaacXII]

her mother was Eleanor....

Not here... Decided to give Maria of Aragon a few more years to her life. At least to see her first grandson

 

[isabella]

Not here... Decided to give Maria of Aragon a few more years to her life. At least to see her first grandson

With that name and birth year can be only the daughter of Eleanor of Austria. Maria would be too old for still having children for her family’s standards. Plus Maria had already a daughter with her name in 1513… An Eleanor or Catarina born in 1518 would be far likelier and Eleanor of Austria would be married to Juan around 1514, so she must have her first child earlier than 1518…

 

[IsaacXII]

With that name and birth year can be only the daughter of Eleanor of Austria. Maria would be too old for still having children for her family’s standards. Plus Maria had already a daughter with her name in 1513… An Eleanor or Catarina born in 1518 would be far likelier and Eleanor of Austria would be married to Juan around 1514, so she must have her first child earlier than 1518…

So I can change the birth date to 1519 maybe? Maria was 34 when she died but maybe give her 4 or 5 years more to live? She might die during the birth of her namesake.

 

[isabella]

So I can change the birth date to 1519 maybe? Maria was 34 when she died but maybe give her 4 or 5 years more to live? She might die during the birth of her namesake.

Maria was 3/4 months away from her 35th birthday at her death and she had already a daughter called after her in 1513… She do not need to die in childbirth but is unlikely she would have a child after 1518 (Catherine was three years younger than her and had her last pregnancy in 1518, while Isabella was 34 at Catherine’s birth)

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Mohacs does not happen:

Louis II (1506-1538) King of Bohemia and Hungary, m. Mary of Austria (1505-1558)

1) Stephen VI (1527-1543) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1538

2) Anna (1528-1580) m. Sigismund II Augustus (1520-1572) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland

3) Mary (1529-1556) m. Ferdinand (1529-1595) Archduke of Tyrol

4) Louis III (1531-1569) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1543, m. Catherine of Austria (1533-1571)

5) Ladislaus (1533-1536)

6) Sigismund II (1534-1592) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1569, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1554-1594)

 

[AkhenatenOrRamses]

Mohacs does not happen:

Louis II (1506-1538) King of Bohemia and Hungary, m. Mary of Austria (1505-1558)

1) Stephen VI (1527-1543) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1538

2) Anna (1528-1580) m. Sigismund II Augustus (1520-1572) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland

3) Mary (1529-1556) m. Ferdinand (1529-1595) Archduke of Tyrol

4) Louis III (1531-1569) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1543, m. Catherine of Austria (1533-1571)

5) Ladislaus (1533-1536)

6) Sigismund II (1534-1592) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1569, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1554-1594)

Now this would have some pretty big butterflies in Central Europe, given how Louis' death at Mohacs allowed the Habsburgs to fill the power vacuum and add Hungary to their core lands.

 

[Dragonboy]

Now this would have some pretty big butterflies in Central Europe, given how Louis' death at Mohacs allowed the Habsburgs to fill the power vacuum and add Hungary to their core lands.

I imagine that Ferdinand's line in the HRE will then have the time to focus on germany and the reformation.

 

[Nuraghe]

I imagine that Ferdinand's line in the HRE will then have the time to focus on germany and the reformation.

in reality Ferdinand in Otl exploits a lot the resources coming from his Jaggelonian inheritance, in particular Bohemia, if in this scenario he does not have this surplus which benefits him, it is very likely that his position within the empire is clearly more precarious compared to Otl, perhaps he would try to convince Charles to enfeoff him as Duke of Milan or at least push to have the imperial ban applied to the members of the League of Smalkand, in the hope of gaining their possessions

 

[Salma Amer]

Anna Juliana Gonzaga (b.1566-.1621) m Ferdinand II, Archduke of Austria (b.1529-.1595) in 1582 ​

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Anna Eleanor (b. 1583-?) m Philip III, King of Spain (b. 1578-.?) in 1600 with issues​

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Philip IV of Spain (b. 1601-.?) m Elizabeth of France (b.1602-.?) in 1615 with issues​

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Charles II, King of Spain (b. 1622-.?) m Maria Magdalena of Austria (b. 1625-.?) with issues ​

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Maria Eugena (b.1625-1642) m Ferdinand IV, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1622-.?) with issue ​

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Francis Ferdinand, ruler of the Netherlands (b. 1627-.?) m Luisa Cristina of Savoy (b.1629-.?) with issues​

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Anna Therese (b. 1633)​

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Philip (b.1637-.?) Cardinal ​

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Anna (b.1602-.?) m Louis XIII, King of France (b. 1601-.?) in 1615 with issues​

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Louis XIV, King of France (b. 1622-.?) m Anne Marie Louise d'Orléans, Duchess of Montpensier(b.1627-.?) with issues ​

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Philippe, Duke of Orleans (b. 1626-.?) m​

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Anne Marie Madame Royal (b.1629-.?) m Charles II, King of England and Scotland (b. 1624-?) with issues​

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Henry, Duke of Anjou (b.1639-.?)​

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Elizabeth (b.1640-.?)​

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Eleanor (b.1604-.?) m Ferdinand III, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1604-.?) in 1619 with issues ​

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Ferdinand IV, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1622-.?) m a)Maria Eugena of Spain (b.1625-.1642) ,b) Catherine of poland (b.1628-.?) with issues​

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Maria Magdalena (b. 1625-.?) m Charles II of Spain (b. 1622-.?) with issues ​

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Leopold (b.1628-.?)​

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Eleanor (b.1632-.1638)​

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Maria (b.1608-.?) m Charles I, King of England and Scotland (b. 1600-?) in 1623 with issues ​

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Charles II, King of England and Scotland (b. 1624-?) m Anne Marie Madame Royal (b.1629-.?) with issues ​

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Anne (b.1626-.?) m ​

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James, Duke of York and Albany (b.1629-.?) m ​

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Elizabeth (b.1633-.?) m ​

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Eleanor (b.1638-.?) m ​

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Henry, Duke of Gloucester (b.1640-.?)​

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Mary (b.1645-.?) m ​

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Charles , Infante Cardinal (b.1610-.?)​

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Ferdinand (1612-.?)​

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Margaret (b.1614-.?) m Ferdinando II de' Medici (b.1610-.?) with issues ​

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Ferdinando III de' Medici (b.1631-.?) ​

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Anna Eleanor (b.1633-?)​

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Margaret (b.1638-.?)​

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Maria of Austria (b.1584-.?) m Matthias, Holy Roman Emperor (1557-.1619) without issues ​

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Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1585-?) m Magdalena of Bavaria (b.1587-.?) in 1603 with issues​

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Ferdinand III, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1604-.?) m Eleanor of Spain (b.1604-.?) in 1619 with issues ​

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Anna Eleanor (b.1606-.?) m Władysław IV Vasa (b.1595-.?) in 1621 with issues ​

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Sigmund IV of Poland (b. 1623-.?) m Magdalena of Austria-Tyrol (b.1628-.?) with issues ​

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Anna Eleanor (b.1625-.?)m Frederick William, Elector of Brandenburg (b.1620-.?) with issues ​

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Catherine (b.1628-.?)m Ferdinand IV, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1622-.?)as second wife in 1644 with issues ​

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Maximilian Archduke of Tyrol (b.1609-.?) m Maria Cristina de' Medici (b.1609-.?) in 1624 with issues​

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Ferdinand Archduke of Tyrol (b.1626-.?) m Eleanor of Gonzaga (b. 1630-?)in 1647 with issues ​

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Magdalena (b.1628-.?)Sigmund IV of Poland (b. 1623-.?) with issues ​

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Maria Anna (b.1632-.?) m Charles II Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua and Montferrat (b.1629-.?) with issues ​

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Maria Renata (b.1614-?)m Frederick Henry Elector Palatine (b.1614-.?) in 1630 with issues​

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Karl Elector Palatine (b.1632-.?)​

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Elizabeth (b.1634-.?)​

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Maria Renata (b.1637-.?)​

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Eleanor (b.1642-.?)​

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Christine (b.1617-.1621)​

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[FalconHonour]

Barnaby Fitzpatrick (1535-1581) m. Lady Jane Grey (1537-1573)

1) Margaret (b.1554)
2) Edward, 3rd Baron Upper Ossory (b.1556)
3) Barnaby (1558-1560)
4) Frances (b.1559)
5) Stillborn daughter (1561)
6) Henry (b.1562)
7) Elizabeth (1563-64)
8) Jane (b.1566)
9) Thomas (b.1568)
10) Miscarriage (1569)
11) Katherine (b.1570)
12) Stillborn son (b.1572)